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Old 08-24-2013, 10:45 PM   #13426
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....the Z has to be less than the Vette...otherwise step up in the market....
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:07 AM   #13427
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....the Z has to be less than the Vette...otherwise step up in the market....
Are you suggesting the Z06 has to be less than the Z51? or that the Z/28 has to be less than the Z06?
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:35 AM   #13428
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Are you suggesting the Z06 has to be less than the Z51? or that the Z/28 has to be less than the Z06?

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Old 08-26-2013, 09:16 AM   #13429
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:16 PM   #13430
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:20 PM   #13431
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:38 PM   #13432
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Happy BD... Hope you got a big lick in the face from that pooch of yours.

I would have told you on FB but it got out of hand there.. LOL
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:47 PM   #13433
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Happy BD... Hope you got a big lick in the face from that pooch of yours.

I would have told you on FB but it got out of hand there.. LOL
Thank you!

As for the FB issue... Some people just don't get it. I would have posted the same thing as you.
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:48 PM   #13434
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Are you suggesting the Z06 has to be less than the Z51? or that the Z/28 has to be less than the Z06?
Number 3, here's what I am thinkin'. The Z06 will cost more than the Z51. That ride has not been disclosed yet. I presume they will build it. Z51 is badass...no doubt. Chevy skunkworks are cooking up something special for Z06 and ZR1. No reason they won't. I think the base C7 "Vette is around 52K. Add 2,800 for the Z51 package, final price depending on trim level/options. I honestly believe the Z/28 will come in somewhere around that and the ZL1...I was hoping around 59k after the Leno interview, but in all reallity, it could eclipse that. Just throwin' numbers around....
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:16 PM   #13435
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Ok, first The House had fallen to number 15.

Second, I priced my C7 and came out to $67,770........................DOH!!!!! But still probably less than the Z/28 by my guessing.

Also did you see the MT guys tested the C7 Z51 against the Viper? Interesting results.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:36 PM   #13436
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Ok, first The House had fallen to number 15.

Second, I priced my C7 and came out to $67,770........................DOH!!!!! But still probably less than the Z/28 by my guessing.

Also did you see the MT guys tested the C7 Z51 against the Viper? Interesting results.
The Z51's handling and braking are incredible. I would have preferred they compare using a Z51 with MR, NPP & 1LT, not a loaded C7.

It will be interesting to see the Z06. Despite extra HP how much better will it perform?
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:39 PM   #13437
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The Z51's handling and braking are incredible. I would have preferred they compare using a Z51 with MR, NPP & 1LT, not a loaded C7.

It will be interesting to see the Z06. Despite extra HP how much better will it perform?
Hard to imagine a better chassis. But I'm sure it will be "LOWERED" just a bit and I can guess some better brakes or at least optional carbon ceramic.

I think a 100 more HP and up, slight tweaks to the chassis and optimum brakes would pretty much seal the deal.

But the first year Z06 cost what the Z51 LT2 I priced out. So I'm afraid any Z06 will just wave at 100Gs on the way by..................making the Z/28 seem almost CHEAP by comparison.
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,,,one can be frugal, or throw in cherries and nuts, with extra whip cream. Performance isn't cheap by todays standards. Toss in some goodies and OMG, price sticker shock. I think, and I am usually wrong, but....the Z/28 will be affordable by the Corvette upper tier price standards. Attainable? <allocation> That's the question....
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Old 08-29-2013, 09:49 PM   #13439
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Hard to imagine a better chassis. But I'm sure it will be "LOWERED" just a bit and I can guess some better brakes or at least optional carbon ceramic.

I think a 100 more HP and up, slight tweaks to the chassis and optimum brakes would pretty much seal the deal.

But the first year Z06 cost what the Z51 LT2 I priced out. So I'm afraid any Z06 will just wave at 100Gs on the way by..................making the Z/28 seem almost CHEAP by comparison.
Yeah, it's obvious Chevy has set their sites much higher than before. Still good value, however pricier. I can't imagine better brakes than these, 60-0 in 99'.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:19 PM   #13440
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Hard to imagine a better chassis. But I'm sure it will be "LOWERED" just a bit and I can guess some better brakes or at least optional carbon ceramic.

I think a 100 more HP and up, slight tweaks to the chassis and optimum brakes would pretty much seal the deal.

But the first year Z06 cost what the Z51 LT2 I priced out. So I'm afraid any Z06 will just wave at 100Gs on the way by..................making the Z/28 seem almost CHEAP by comparison.

I'd bet better wheels, tires, brakes and maybe DSSV dampers if they work out on the Z/28, obviously more HP but hopefully without AFM. Standard eLSD and Recaros.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:07 AM   #13441
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The Z51 already trounced the Viper everywhere, but power. Add even less than comparable power and its NO contest.
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:17 PM   #13442
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On a little road trip this weekend in Michigan. Saw a few interesting things.

A 2014 Jeep Cherokee which looks better in person.

3 2014 Malibus with manufacturers plates running what I'm guessing was mileage accumulation on I75. Front makes the car look more premium but the rest of the car is.....well.....still not a Fusion.
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Old 09-01-2013, 05:21 PM   #13443
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A little road trip back to Michigan in the ATS.

Was able to get two sets of clubs in the trunk with a little room for luggage. Good!

A really nice ride. Compared to the Audi, which is just a bit firmer, the ATS really made the drive nice.

Fuel Economy was just a tad under 30 mpg. Which isn't bad for my driving habits, but the S4 sill does a bit better.

For the base seats, really comfortable.

CUE is pretty slick. It has the Audi beat and for the money, CUE with NAV (which we didn't get) is better than on Audi and the CUE with NAV would be about a $1,000 less.

Quiet as you would expect for a Cadillac.

The 2.0T pulls pretty well for a 4 cylinder. But it also has the problem of sounding like a 4 cylinder. No noticeable turbo lag. Well balanced and does well with the 6 speed. Would think the rumored 8 speed will make this a very good powertrain combination.

All in all I still like the Audi better but that is mostly because of the drivetrain. 3.0T with 7 speed DCT and full time AWD make for a tough package to beat. But the ATS is a pretty nice package.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:36 AM   #13444
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:41 AM   #13445
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Read about this a while back... and I agree with you.

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Hard to imagine a better chassis. But I'm sure it will be "LOWERED" just a bit and I can guess some better brakes or at least optional carbon ceramic.

I think a 100 more HP and up, slight tweaks to the chassis and optimum brakes would pretty much seal the deal.

But the first year Z06 cost what the Z51 LT2 I priced out. So I'm afraid any Z06 will just wave at 100Gs on the way by..................making the Z/28 seem almost CHEAP by comparison.
You would know better than most, but the C7 on display at the Heritage looked like it was flood ready. The other C7s seen during Woodward had different lower stances though none looked Zish unless you visualized Zish body work. If they release the C7 in the Heritage stance lowering will be a big business
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You would know better than most, but the C7 on display at the Heritage looked like it was flood ready. The other C7s seen during Woodward had different lower stances though none looked Zish unless you visualized Zish body work. If they release the C7 in the Heritage stance lowering will be a big business
I agree, why so much gap?
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Sorry if this is a repost... but for those discussing the potential for a new Z06 Corvette I found this nugget.

"The mooted price: $100,000. This might be the most fabulous new spec of all, seeing as it would represent a $24,400 increase over the Z06 and just a $12,600 undercut of the ZR1. Compare and contrast: in 2001, the first year of the Z06, the MSRP of a 350-hp Corvette coupe was $40,725, the MSRP of the 385-horsepower Z06 was $48,500; if CD is correct, the 2014 Corvette's sea level will be established by the 455-hp Stingray that costs $51,995 and in 2015 we'll be staring down the twin, forced-induction barrels of a 600-hp, twin-turbo Z07 that starts at six figures and that could still be leaving room for a new ZR1 late in the model's lifetime."

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Sorry if this is a repost... but for those discussing the potential for a new Z06 Corvette I found this nugget.

"The mooted price: $100,000. This might be the most fabulous new spec of all, seeing as it would represent a $24,400 increase over the Z06 and just a $12,600 undercut of the ZR1. Compare and contrast: in 2001, the first year of the Z06, the MSRP of a 350-hp Corvette coupe was $40,725, the MSRP of the 385-horsepower Z06 was $48,500; if CD is correct, the 2014 Corvette's sea level will be established by the 455-hp Stingray that costs $51,995 and in 2015 we'll be staring down the twin, forced-induction barrels of a 600-hp, twin-turbo Z07 that starts at six figures and that could still be leaving room for a new ZR1 late in the model's lifetime."

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/02/c...twin-turbo-v8/
Interesting. However the Z06/Z07 is already close to $100K.
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