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Old 09-03-2013, 06:30 PM   #18
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can we please just have a real muscle car GM... Not this futuristic space ship crap.
I've been working on that. Putting my design ideas in a thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...310821&page=12
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Old 09-03-2013, 07:56 PM   #19
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After seeing that video, im glad i have a current gen camaro. IMO the futuristic designs are just falling farther away from the muscle car heritage. Not to mention what factory engine options will be available by 2020...
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:30 PM   #20
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You know, here is a crazy thought. Maybe.. just maybe... the majority of buyers are NOT car people. Calm down everyone. Those people at the end of the video are your average car buyer.

WE are not your average car buyers. The majority of people cannot tell the difference between a LT/SS/ZL1/Z28 except if it has a giant label on it. Even then they don't know what's inside.

GM designs, along with the majority of the other manufactures, for their target audience, not the niche few of us. While they try to appease everyone they just can't. So they put out a few amazing vehicles like the ZL1 and ZR1 etc to appease us. But the majority of their sales are to people who want something that looks good, drives good, and plays music.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:19 PM   #21
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Not buying the "California thing" and it puts a pretty nasty taste in my mouth. There are people designing awesome cars all around the world. General Motors just has to find them and pay them to keep them. Where they work doesn't matter.
You are so right!!
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:23 PM   #22
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How about" I want a car with a SOUL. One that you can't walk past without wishing you were out on a canyon road going through the gears."
Amen! That's exactly why I bought my Camaro!

Do you think the new vette has soul? I think it does. It's a very modern soul, but still soul!!!
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:32 PM   #23
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Regarding the video, I can't imagine that the Camaro appearance is accidental. I think GM is testing the waters by floating out the new design, in order to see how we react. I think they did the same thing with first Transformers movie. Seems like a brilliant way to accumulate interest and pre-orders.

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll see a very positive reaction to the new Bumble Bee.

Just my thoughts
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:49 PM   #24
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I'm so proud to own a 5th gen! And as my first car to. So happy I didn't go with the Lancer Evo. No offense tuners!
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:53 PM   #25
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Oh how I wish the 2014 rear would have been designed like this. Much better license plate and diffuser area.
They did, kind of. Its the Z/28 rear.

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Old 09-03-2013, 10:37 PM   #26
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They did, kind of. Its the Z/28 rear.

Yeah, the z28 is close to whats being sculpted in that clay. the dimensions are different but its still the same basic design elements. It looks more like the original rear bumper modified to look more aggressive. I agree that the license plate recess looks much better, the new one is just set too deep into the bumper. But its a more globaly friendly design than the previous which is what they were going for.
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Old 09-04-2013, 04:52 AM   #27
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that rear end looks soooo much better than the 2014!
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:06 AM   #28
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Hope those people at end of the clip does not represent a Camaro focus group. Wonder how GM currently selects focus groups today?

Think it was back in 1979, I was about 28 yrs. old, lived in Houston and driving a 1976 Eldo conv. bought new. Selected to be a member of a Cadillac focus group of 10-12 people, I was youngest & oldest about mid 50s. We were not all Cadillac owners and think, in part, selected based on incomes and education. Lasted about 2-hrs and issues tended to be about down sizing models, options, driving habits, etc. Had to sign a confidentially agreement as we were shown concept drawings. Very interesting experience.
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:17 AM   #29
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Oh how I wish the 2014 rear would have been designed like this. Much better license plate and diffuser area.
Really , just look at the miss alignment between the bumper corners and the fenders !!!
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:02 AM   #30
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Aside from the focus group thing...lol...At least they are showing interest/plans to build Camaros into the 2020s....I'd say that's a good thing....
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:21 AM   #31
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There was an article in Road and Track about how the current 20s crowd doesn't care about driving and wants techno-transportation. That may be mainstream, but Camaros are not mainstream cars, they are niche cars.

GM should think about cross shoppers buying BMW 3 series coupes, Golf GTIs, Audi coupes, along with the usual Mustangs and Challengers. In my view they need to have an American (ie not Euro or Asian) offering in that mix to stand out. Mainstream buyers don't care about rear wheel drive either.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:30 AM   #32
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There was an article in Road and Track about how the current 20s crowd doesn't care about driving and wants techno-transportation. That may be mainstream, but Camaros are not mainstream cars, they are niche cars.

GM should think about cross shoppers buying BMW 3 series coupes, Golf GTIs, Audi coupes, along with the usual Mustangs and Challengers. In my view they need to have an American (ie not Euro or Asian) offering in that mix to stand out. Mainstream buyers don't care about rear wheel drive either.
I'd say that is very true....Actually, even now, the biggest change in the Gen5 has been for gadgets like My-Link, back-up cameras. etc....

Hopefully future Camaros will still have some muscle car appeal, but probably "must have" the techno-stuff as well to at least stay current with what most other drivers want to keep the model line viable....
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:52 AM   #33
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:56 AM   #34
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The comments illustrate that most buyers don't know what they want...
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Some of those comments at the end were ridiculous. "I want a car you can drive out on the road". O K!
Just goes to show how idiotic my generation has gotten. I'm sure y'all will agree. No common sense what so ever, and the cherry on top is that it's rare when you find someone who as "brought up to be respectful".

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I would take heart in the fact that Chevy is building a car like the Z/28...

....That is, the creature comfort and techno-gadget crowd will not be interested in it...This tells me that Chevy believes there is enough wriggle room to build some Camaros that aren't overloaded with unwanted options and features that some of us don't care for...

....Hopefully they will build an affordable "muscle-car" in the future with performance and horsepower as the priority and not go full tilt in favor of the non-performance, gadget crowd....


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