Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Rick@Livernois
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons

Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-07-2013, 02:11 PM   #1
Rucom197
Mike
 
Rucom197's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 SS Camaro
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 47
Installed CAI Intake..Less Responsive! WHY??

I Just installed a Cold Air Induction Intake on my 2011 SS (M6) Camaro. I Checked the MAF and I have a "weak sensor" (Went online and ordered a "strong sensor" should be here in a few days) so maybe this is the problem. I also did some reading up on the forums about the fuse pull. As we speak the fuses are out of the box and I am going to let the car sit for a few hours. Has anyone else had this problem? I could just be losing my mind but for a mod that is said to give some RWHP I felt nothing!

Thanks everyone!

PS: I have had the car for almost 10 days now and I am OBSESSED!
__________________

Last edited by Rucom197; 09-07-2013 at 02:23 PM.
Rucom197 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:13 PM   #2
SSCam77
 
Drives: 427
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: GTA
Posts: 22
Did you do any tuning after the intake install?
__________________
SSCam77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:22 PM   #3
Rucom197
Mike
 
Rucom197's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 SS Camaro
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 47
No tuning. As of right now the only thing that is on this car is the Cat-Back system that came with the car and the Intake that I just installed. The Vmax throttle body is on back order and the air scoop and bottle relocate should be here any day. So it's not like this car is getting to much air, unless the weak MAF really does make a difference.
__________________
Rucom197 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:27 PM   #4
rozay
 
rozay's Avatar
 
Drives: camaro 2LS LFX A6
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Broward County, Florida
Posts: 336
do the fuse pull
__________________
FR 41zl1 20x10 wheels,Muffler Delete, UPR products Catch Can, Injen CAI,5% rear window tint 20% sides 35% windshield
rozay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:29 PM   #5
DARK AGE 53

 
Drives: 2010 SS
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Mi./Al.
Posts: 750
Do you find the car less responsive then what you were hoping for, or is less responsive then what it was prior to the install?
__________________
POW/MIA - YOU ARE LOST BUT NOT FORGOTTEN IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
DARK AGE 53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:32 PM   #6
Rucom197
Mike
 
Rucom197's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 SS Camaro
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 47
Less responsive then before. Last night around midnight it was low 60's here on LI and the car was flying! After installed it today the temp was high 70's so I doubt this is a factor as well. Just trying to think of everything here, hopefully the fuse pull will work. If not I will give this new MAF a try when I get it in a few days.
__________________
Rucom197 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:35 PM   #7
rozay
 
rozay's Avatar
 
Drives: camaro 2LS LFX A6
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Broward County, Florida
Posts: 336
most likely itll be a fuse pull or the weak MAF. ur on the right track
__________________
FR 41zl1 20x10 wheels,Muffler Delete, UPR products Catch Can, Injen CAI,5% rear window tint 20% sides 35% windshield
rozay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:40 PM   #8
DARK AGE 53

 
Drives: 2010 SS
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Mi./Al.
Posts: 750
Go back and double check your install, check all your wires, hose fittings, clamps and look for any air obstruction in the system.
__________________
POW/MIA - YOU ARE LOST BUT NOT FORGOTTEN IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
DARK AGE 53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 02:57 PM   #9
DARK AGE 53

 
Drives: 2010 SS
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Mi./Al.
Posts: 750
You might also want to check your MAF Sensor, it may have become dirty from your hands or oiled from you new filter. To clean your Maf get some CRC MAF Cleaner, if you're unsure how to clean it here's a video that might help
__________________
POW/MIA - YOU ARE LOST BUT NOT FORGOTTEN IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
DARK AGE 53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 05:16 PM   #10
JCunningham

 
JCunningham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 SIM 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Attica, NY
Posts: 1,965
How many tanks of 91 or 93 have you run through it. If your only on your 1st tank you might still have 87 in there. run 2 tanks of 93 to get out all the 87 the dealer put in it. Put your new strong MAF in Then do the fuse pull over night. Check to see if your filter was over oiled if its a oiled filter. Mine was and covered the MAF causing bucking.
__________________
2012 2SS/RS M6 SIM, Painted Carbon Flash rally stripes, Elite CC, 3.91 gears, New Era ported TB, OTR, and Dyno Tune, Heritage Grill, Night Fury cam, 25%Fluidampr, Melling 296 Oil pump, Katech CR-5 chain, Cloyes LS2 HD tensioner, PAC 1205x springs and Comp Cams trunions. ARH 1 7/8" LT headers w/cats, TWM full Shifter, BMR sways, trailing arms, toe rods, delrin cradle bushings, BK039 rear control bushings, front bushings. Solo Mach-XL exhaust
JCunningham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 06:09 PM   #11
Danthaman
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: East Texas
Posts: 71
Its you MAF. Weak ones are less responsive. You will notice it more when you add CAI, TB. When you put the new "strong" MAF sensor in should feel a difference in throttle response
Danthaman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 06:16 PM   #12
Danthaman
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: East Texas
Posts: 71
Chase with Apex-Speed had a good forum on this.
Danthaman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 08:02 PM   #13
DARK AGE 53

 
Drives: 2010 SS
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Mi./Al.
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danthaman View Post
Its you MAF. Weak ones are less responsive. You will notice it more when you add CAI, TB. When you put the new "strong" MAF sensor in should feel a difference in throttle response
I don't think a stronger MAF is going to cure his problem, the reason I say that is because he states "Less responsive then before".
__________________
POW/MIA - YOU ARE LOST BUT NOT FORGOTTEN IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
DARK AGE 53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 08:28 PM   #14
cybergrayls3
 
Drives: 2010 camaro 2ss/rs..m6..CGM
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: I40-NC
Posts: 340
Quote:
Originally Posted by DARK AGE 53 View Post
I don't think a stronger MAF is going to cure his problem, the reason I say that is because he states "Less responsive then before".
The weak MAF will become more of an issue once modifications are done that increase airflow. He has increased airflow with the CAI. The weak air meter cannot respond/keep up with the additional airflow. Thus the car probably is not adding enough fuel or its slow to do so since the weak MAF is not catching this additional aiflow..this will result in sluggish throttle response, and overall less responsive feeling. The additional airflow these mods create will only improve throttle response and power if the PCM can detect this additional flow so it can change other parameters to match the airflow. If it cant detect this airflow due too a weak/dirty/failing MAF then you are SOL my friend
__________________
-Lethal Racing NF cam
-Kooks LT's/high flow cats
-Borla ATAK catback
-CAI cold air intake (black)/Apex scoop
-LSR shifter
-Rick Crawford intake manifold
-Monster level 3 clutch
cybergrayls3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 08:40 PM   #15
Top Off
 
Top Off's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 LS3 1SS/RS Vert
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Hamburg
Posts: 258
Guessing it's you weak MAF. I just installed my intake today, and at part throttle there is a hesitation when you open it up. My MAF is weak also, for now.
__________________
2012 1SS/RS Vert. BBK shorties, Solo cats, GHL catback
Top Off is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 09:20 PM   #16
DARK AGE 53

 
Drives: 2010 SS
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Mi./Al.
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybergrayls3 View Post
The weak MAF will become more of an issue once modifications are done that increase airflow. He has increased airflow with the CAI. The weak air meter cannot respond/keep up with the additional airflow. Thus the car probably is not adding enough fuel or its slow to do so since the weak MAF is not catching this additional aiflow..this will result in sluggish throttle response, and overall less responsive feeling. The additional airflow these mods create will only improve throttle response and power if the PCM can detect this additional flow so it can change other parameters to match the airflow. If it cant detect this airflow due too a weak/dirty/failing MAF then you are SOL my friend
You may be right, thanks for that bit of information.
__________________
POW/MIA - YOU ARE LOST BUT NOT FORGOTTEN IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
DARK AGE 53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 11:46 AM   #17
LBV
 
LBV's Avatar
 
Drives: G8 GXP manual
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 157
Often times airflow-increase mods will move your power band higher, meaning it'll feel a bit slower at low rpms but faster at higher rpms.
__________________
2009 GXP, Manual with Sunroof

Zeta platform, LS3,TR6060 tranny ... ya, it's a 4-dr Camaro!

Borla cat-back, H&R springs, & Sprintbooster & I love it!
LBV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 01:03 PM   #18
Rocky1974

 
Rocky1974's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 RJT 2SS M6 Camaro
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Garrison,KY
Posts: 1,059
I've got a 2010 LS3/M6 and I put that same intake on it and it picked up. I did check and I've got the "strong MAF", so maybe that's it. There was a noticeable gain with the intake and couple of weeks later I added a scoop and there was a small gain. A few weeks after that I put on long tubes and got another noticeable gain. Then I had it dyno tuned and it came alive! I picked up just over 50 hp total. I highly recommend these mods. It's like a whole different car!
__________________
2010 RJT 2SS M6, Kooks Long Tubes, CAI Cold Air w/Jannetty Scoop, RotoFab Washer Bottle, Elite Engineering Catch Can, MGW Shifter w/ZL1 Shaft and Knob, 2012 Heater Hose Conversion, 2012 Power Seat Conversion, RS Head Lights w/Gen5DIY RS Conversion Harness, Gen5DIY LED Fog lamp Bulbs, Heritage Grille w/Retro SS Emblem, NLP Spoiler, Custom Painted White Stripes, WCC LS3 Emblems, Blacked Out Tail Light Panel w/Retro SS Emblem, 416 RWHP, 411 RWT, Tuned by BlueCat.
Rocky1974 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 04:19 PM   #19
litle88
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2001 Ws6
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Burbank,IL
Posts: 6,349
Cause you should of gotten a vararam. SuperchargedSS is blown with 750+hp on a "weak" mafs iirc.

Last edited by litle88; 09-08-2013 at 06:23 PM.
litle88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 06:23 PM   #20
14pilot
Original Bumblebee Owner
 
14pilot's Avatar
 
Drives: 265hp ZX-14, 500hp Silverado, V-ROD
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,383
It's both the weak MAF and the fuse pull. Put in strong MAF, then do a fuse pull. You should be good.
__________________
Quote:
Quote:
#5 - 2010 2SS/RS MN6 ABM #142-Silver Rallys-GFX / Med Titanium
My previous Camaros:
#4 - 1994 Z/28 6M Black over Arctic White / Graphite-Red Inserts - traded
#3 - 1981 Z/28 Bright Blue Metallic / Black - sold
#2 - 1970.5 RS Mulsanne Blue / Blue - endo crashed it and parted it out
#1 - 1967 RS Butternut Yellow w/ Black Bumblebee Stripe-RPO D91 / Parchment-Black - sold
14pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 01:06 AM   #21
Sugarfree135
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Midwest
Posts: 335
Intake power increase/"feel" is one of the most overstated mods there are lol nothing wrong with your car it's just a case of hype vs real world and people not wanting to admit that they spent half a grand on a mod that didn't do jack except get them higher dyno numbers. At least you can say you bought the "best" intake though :-) and the induction sound is amazing 👍
Sugarfree135 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 07:24 AM   #22
Sales @ CAI Inc



 
Sales @ CAI Inc's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SS/RS CAI Inc. CAI, Cam, Tune
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,900
1. You may need a fuse pull
2. You may need a "Strong MAF"
3. Did you disconnect the negative on the battery before the CAI install like the instructions say?
4. Check over all your CAI connections and make sure they are good.
5. Now that you can actually hear the CAI sucking in air, sometimes hearing the air entering the CAI before it is then combusted is why it feels like there may be a hesitation. You are simply hearing the CAI pulling air which with your stock intake you could not here, therefore giving you the perception of hesitation.

It sounds like 1, 2 & possibly 3 could be the culprit. The large majority of people who install our CAI notice and can "feel" the performance gain, so if not there is probably a reason, most likely something I mentioned above. Hope that helps.
__________________
Call Us: 810.392.9999 (Click Sig Pic for Website)
Sales @ CAI Inc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 08:01 AM   #23
DARK AGE 53

 
Drives: 2010 SS
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Mi./Al.
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sales @ CAI Inc View Post
3. Did you disconnect the negative on the battery before the CAI install like the instructions say?
I think that's meant more as safety precaution then anything else, just don't have the key in the ignition when doing this type of install. JMO
__________________
POW/MIA - YOU ARE LOST BUT NOT FORGOTTEN IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
DARK AGE 53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 11:46 AM   #24
Sugarfree135
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Midwest
Posts: 335
I'm really curious if OP will find a "solution" to his "problem" 😐
Sugarfree135 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 12:10 PM   #25
Sales @ CAI Inc



 
Sales @ CAI Inc's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SS/RS CAI Inc. CAI, Cam, Tune
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,900
Quote:
Originally Posted by DARK AGE 53 View Post
I think that's meant more as safety precaution then anything else, just don't have the key in the ignition when doing this type of install. JMO
It is a safety factor yes, but there has also been many cases where the cars computer takes more time to adjust to the new fuel trims due to the CAI, and therefore give you the performance increase. So rather than seeing the difference at once after installation, you get it gradually over time while the car is adjusting to the new intake, which would barely be noticeable. That's one of the main reasons for disconnecting the negative during installation. Hope that helps.
__________________
Call Us: 810.392.9999 (Click Sig Pic for Website)
Sales @ CAI Inc is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.