Z/28 Camaro and C7 Corvette testing at Nurburgring

[2cnd chance]

If you can have both a track focused car and the ability to drive it on the street why not? (Porsche GT3RS) Just numbers alone will make it possible for more ZL1's than Z/28's to be tracked.

[Doc]

Al O all but confirmed they're working on a new manufacturers championship series which will require the car be street legal to qualify. Which explains why Dodge and Ford are jumping in at this (expensive) level.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Doc

Al O all but confirmed they're working on a new manufacturers championship series which will require the car be street legal to qualify. Which explains why Dodge and Ford are jumping in at this (expensive) level.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...posting before watching the clip, there's been quite a delay. Rationally, I don't see a reason why there has been such a long time inbetween testing footage. Me thinks there are things still to be sorted out. October price and information release?

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...posting before watching the clip, there's been quite a delay. Rationally, I don't see a reason why there has been such a long time inbetween testing footage. Me thinks there are things still to be sorted out. October price and information release?

Surprising how long it's taking for any info.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

It's like ketchup on a filet mignon.

Nobody would be able to say it any better haha.

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by 1977and2010

No need for forced induction. LS7s respond well to all of the standard NA power adders, real long tube headers, ported heads, and a nice cam. I'm real interested to see how the power train holds up or if improvements have been made. I'm talking about clutch and the hydraulics, tranny syncros, diff, and half shafts. And the dam axle cv boots. I've had issues with all of those.

a cam will get them to 550whp

at that point what more do you need?


If you really want forced induction the smart move is the ZL1. An engine built for boost and a beefier drive line to boot

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Col. Brain

a cam will get them to 550whp

at that point what more do you need?


If you really want forced induction the smart move is the ZL1. An engine built for boost and a beefier drive line to boot

I feel as though if you want to drag race then get the ZL1 Camaro.....

[Full Lock]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

heavy

heavy
(SS)
to not so heavy....
(z28)

[ENV US]

GM posted over the weekend the 2014 CTS VSport circled the "ring" faster then a Camaro SS!

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by doc7000

I feel as though if you want to drag race then get the ZL1 Camaro.....

i wouldnt drag race the z/28.....well maybe one day just to see what it does.

I have my drag car. This is a different toy

[radz28]

Please take the bickering to PMs.

I can't recall hearing a factory exhaust note better than AMG-cars, until now. I swear on my clutch foot that the hair was standing on the back of my neck for the entirety of both videos. I thought Z/28 sounded better before I heard Stingray. Stingray just rocks. I think part of it is the induction noise, but I just LOVE it.

I know the manifolds and larger pipes of Z/28 are different than ZL1. I wonder how much more power they provide. Probably not a whole lot, but living where I do, factory appearance matters. For the first time, I'd entertain the thought of getting OEM exhaust, lol! KUDOS GM!!!

[AGM 1LE]

both cars sound and look amazing

[Mikamaro]

Originally Posted by ENV US

GM posted over the weekend the 2014 CTS VSport circled the "ring" faster then a Camaro SS!

with the 3.6l twin turbo: 420hp-430tq
I Wonder how much that CTS-Vsport weight?

[Denis]

Just watched this vid...that Vette sounds great. The Z/28 sounds just mean!

[MikeSVX]

Originally Posted by backtotintops

"What if the 2014 z28 can't produce a better time than the ZL1 at a long track like Nurburgring? It is impossible to match the speed of the ZL1 at Nurburgring, cornering, braking, handling and ride could all favor the ZL1 as well... Remember, the ZL1 is a one lap wonder, but that first lap is usually a very, very fast lap... If the z28 is down 12mph on the 3km straight, it will be hard to beat the ZL1's time... I think that's a 7-8 second loss right there... I'd have to do the math."

guess who wrote that nonsense in another forum???…hint…"make up". When a keyboard jockey uses the word "impossible" that should tell you something


I figured the "lap of the gods" needs to get done around now so these new videos make sense in the timing and can't you just tell the z was eating the 7.

You forgot about the weight difference. The lesser weight of the Z/28 should be more then enough to make up for the horse power. The gearing could make a difference too.

[anuebus]

I agree with the latter...the z looks stiff as hell and with the ls7 on tap and decreased weight I see the z putting a 5-10 second faster lap then the zl1. they just need to get a perfect lap down. there is always something as a driver around the ring that has u saying "I could have taken that one turn better". remember, the z will cost a lot more than the c7 and produced in fewer numbers so gm is making damn sure it can lay it down numbers wise.

[Badman24]

Man I wish I had my camaro when I went to the ring. I ran a 2000 Saturn ls2 on the ring in 2008. I was still passing people In that car. At that time it only cost 10 euro a lap.

[b4z]

Originally Posted by ENV US

GM posted over the weekend the 2014 CTS VSport circled the "ring" faster then a Camaro SS!

That was the 2010-2011 SS. Neither the 2012 up SS with Fe 4 nor the 1LE has ever run an official timed lap.

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by b4z

That was the 2010-2011 SS. Neither the 2012 up SS with Fe 4 nor the 1LE has ever run an official timed lap.

That would be awesome if they brought a 1LE with them while they were doing all this testing.

[OldScoolCamaro]

....more in a hi-po form was shown for the Vette. Not so much for the Z. I was dissapointed.

[macalot]

I kinda agree old school. They really showed the Z in only one turn, shoulda been more. But I did notice that the Z didn't have any tire squeal in that one turn, whereas the vette was squealing in just about every turn. I suspect they weren't pushing the Z at the time the vids were shot. I assume the stock tires on the Z will squeal eventually, right?

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by macalot

I kinda agree old school. They really showed the Z in only one turn, shoulda been more. But I did notice that the Z didn't have any tire squeal in that one turn, whereas the vette was squealing in just about every turn. I suspect they weren't pushing the Z at the time the vids were shot. I assume the stock tires on the Z will squeal eventually, right?

...perhaps, but there has not been any flat out full boogie footage of the Z/28 displayed yet. And that concerns me right now....

[brt3]

The ZL1 ran a 7:41 at The Ring. My best guess for the Z/28 is a 7:36. I have driven that track, and I believe the lighter weight, superb suspension, and killer tires will overcome the power advantage of the ZL1. If they run faster than 7:36, there are a lot of guys who will be trading their GT3s...

[Doc]

Originally Posted by brt3

The ZL1 ran a 7:41 at The Ring. My best guess for the Z/28 is a 7:36. I have driven that track, and I believe the lighter weight, superb suspension, and killer tires will overcome the power advantage of the ZL1. If they run faster than 7:36, there are a lot of guys who will be trading their GT3s...

They haven't stated what the actual power is; just "more than 500" which could be anywhere from 505 to 525 or more. Plus the Z/28 is AT LEAST 300 lbs lighter than the ZL1. I'm guessing they've gotten it below 3,700 lbs. so the power to weight ratio is going to be good. That plus the unsprung rotating weight on the 4 corners of the Z/28 is much less than the ZL1 so it's also going to have the advantage of quicker, smoother acceleration through and out of corners, and better braking so it can go deeper into a corner before having to brake.

It was already 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 at Milford and that was early-on before they'd done all the tweaking the've been doing the past 9 months. It's not going to be just 5 seconds faster on the Ring, it's going to be a LOT faster. That latest video shows it on power and digging hard through those corners; the same corners the Stingray is coasting through trying to hang on while the tires are screaming in protest. The Z/28 is powering through those corners...that thing is FAST.

With the already-admitted 1.05 g's in the corners and 1.5 g's braking, if they can pull off a no-screw-ups hot lap, I bet it cracks the 7:20 mark. I'm guessing 7:19-something. You heard Mark Reuss; they want to build something that the competition can't even touch, so that means not just a little faster, that means track killer faster.

My guess is they're not releasing lap times yet because either Stielow isn't done tweaking, and/or they don't want to give the competition the target numbers they have to beat until the car is close to being released for sale.

They're not going to be able to make enough of these things.