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Old 09-16-2013, 02:54 PM   #476
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Not sure... but it is 14:30 in if anyone else want to check it out. I am racking my brain because I think this question about engine production was already answered.... damn old age creeping in.
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:43 PM   #477
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Wixom Performance Build Center to close in January/14. And all the Z/28 engines will be built by then...

http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...#axzz2f4y0qcki

The build rate is 3 per line per shift, on average. C6 Vette production in Bowling Green ended on March 1st, so LS7-only production will total approx. 10 months. The last tour I was a part of was 2 years ago. At that time, 6 lines plus the Customer Build line were active.



Has anyone been through Wixom, lately?

Or has Reuss tipped us to the fact that Wixom will continue beyond the "Corvette shift to Bowling Green"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=dofT6IicUmQ
So how many shifts and how many lines are they using now?

Just some quick math on the 6 lines you stated put it at over 7000 engines for 10 months.(assuming 2 shifts)

Do the crate LS7s get built there as well?

Im sure my math is way off but even half of that number would indicate there should be more than 1500 Z/28s

dammit GM release some more details!!!!
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:50 PM   #478
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Yes the crate LS7 and LS9 are built at Wixom as well.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:54 AM   #479
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So how many shifts and how many lines are they using now?

As of 08/11, the time of the in-plant video, ONE 10-hour shift per day, Mon-Fri. The "target" was 3 engines per shift per man/line.

Just some quick math on the 6 lines you stated put it at over 7000 engines for 10 months.(assuming 2 shifts)

1 shift, only (as of 8/11)

Im sure my math is way off but even half of that number would indicate there should be more than 1500 Z/28s
Wixom PBC was very flexible in its assembly schedule. Each line could build any of the three engines assembled there: LS3 "dry" (C6 Vette GS-MN6), LS7 and LS9.

Does the Performance Build Center currently assemble the dry-sump LT1 used in the C7 Z51? If so, it may be busy assembling those until the BG PBC is up-and-running...

So the question requiring an answer is: what exactly is Wixom currently assembling?
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:04 PM   #480
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....Hmmmm.....They are going to build the LS7 crate engines somewhere other than Ky....(Crate engines are a different animal than those used for factory assembled cars....?....)

The LS7 is a gen IV engine that is ending....I don't see the new KY engine plant building ls7's for the Z/28 at all....I'd say they are already done/built for the Z/28, so there is a finite number available.......

I'm probably wrong somewhere in there, but if they were mixing in the Z/28 engines already at Wixom, can't see the likelihood of a new KY plant just for those....
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:09 PM   #481
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Don't forget that the last C6 vette was built months ago... so whatever is being built has to be stacking up. I have a feeling there will be a lot more of the z/28 s built than most think.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:19 PM   #482
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Not necessarily. The Bowling Green PBC operation: was it operational at SOP of C7 Vette? If not, again, where do the "dry" LT1s come from? Were they coming from Wixom?

Does anyone have definitive "inside" info? If so, and you're shy for obvious reasons, please pm me...
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Where the hell is Fen, he may know.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:22 PM   #484
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Wixom PBC was very flexible in its assembly schedule. Each line could build any of the three engines assembled there: LS3 "dry" (C6 Vette GS-MN6), LS7 and LS9.

Does the Performance Build Center currently assemble the dry-sump LT1 used in the C7 Z51? If so, it may be busy assembling those until the BG PBC is up-and-running...

So the question requiring an answer is: what exactly is Wixom currently assembling?

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Old 09-20-2013, 03:08 PM   #485
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Until we know how many they will build, I think talking price is irrelevant (I guess it's kinda fun though). People could wait to get one, then Chevy announces they are only building 100 or some "each dealer gets one, let the bidding start". If that happens I think they would go for at least double or triple MSRP which would have them around 150K or more (maybe way more).
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:56 PM   #486
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Until we know how many they will build, I think talking price is irrelevant (I guess it's kinda fun though). People could wait to get one, then Chevy announces they are only building 100 or some "each dealer gets one, let the bidding start". If that happens I think they would go for at least double or triple MSRP which would have them around 150K or more (maybe way more).
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:35 PM   #487
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I think it'll be around 65k
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..the price will be more than 56.5K as spoken in the Leno expose'....but, in real world terms, it wont be a deal breaker. Availabilty, that's another question...
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:42 PM   #489
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..the price will be more than 56.5K as spoken in the Leno expose'....but, in real world terms, it wont be a deal breaker. Availabilty, that's another question...
Won't availability determine "actual" price, rather than MSRP? Also I wonder if it will be a one or two year run. Maybe 2015 MY only?
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:45 PM   #490
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Won't availability determine "actual" price, rather than MSRP? Also I wonder if it will be a one or two year run. Maybe 2015 MY only?
The thread is about MSRP not about what dealers try to get for it. That will be different for each and every dealer. GM has no control over that.
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...they may play the hard to get card....but for sure, the LS7 is going bye bye real fast unless GM gets some license to keep on making them for market. That is highly doubtful, and not part of GM's outlook going forward IMHO.
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:13 AM   #492
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:55 AM   #493
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Old 10-19-2013, 06:13 PM   #494
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Old 10-27-2013, 04:48 PM   #495
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a friend on mine told me yesterday that a GM said he was told in the in the high 40's
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a friend on mine told me yesterday that a GM said he was told in the in the high 40's


Al O. And Scott S. both already said it would be the most expensive Camaro to date - so at a minimum it'll be $1 more than the MSRP for the vert ZL1
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a friend on mine told me yesterday that a GM said he was told in the in the high 40's
Did he also sell you some quality swampland in Florida?
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a friend on mine told me yesterday that a GM said he was told in the in the high 40's

I can't talk about the price - but I'd love to know the person at GM that said such a foolish thing.

Take a 1LE -- price that out

Add an LS7 Engine (go price one of those out0

Add the carbon/ceramic brakes -- (go price those out)

........and then start to look at the list of 'what's different' -- and start pricing for that............

Oh - and then one has to take into consideration the cost to reverse engineer for the car without A/C. (...no, you can't just remove it...)

-- and in order to get it approved, we had to show how we'll make money on it (...it's called return on investment - and that investment is not only monetary, but track time, personnel, etc....)

The answer is that there is no way this car is going to be anywhere near 40K.

That's all I can say.....
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I can't talk about the price - but I'd love to know the person at GM that said such a foolish thing.

Take a 1LE -- price that out

Add an LS7 Engine (go price one of those out0

Add the carbon/ceramic brakes -- (go price those out)

........and then start to look at the list of 'what's different' -- and start pricing for that............

Oh - and then one has to take into consideration the cost to reverse engineer for the car without A/C. (...no, you can't just remove it...)

-- and in order to get it approved, we had to show how we'll make money on it (...it's called return on investment - and that investment is not only monetary, but track time, personnel, etc....)

The answer is that there is no way this car is going to be anywhere near 40K.

That's all I can say.....
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