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Old 09-17-2013, 04:43 PM   #18
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Ted is right about the addition of a 2.55 upper - the IAT2s skyrocket and the amount of timing you need to pull makes the gains negligible unless you are driving on race gas. I have attempted multiple pulley combinations and found this to be true. I am working with D3PE to try to construct a revised intercooler - but as of yet it has not happened. If anyone knows of a company building intercoolers (not HX) for a ZL1 let me know.
We have done a lot with PD blowers and found that the Heat exchanger and tank do nothing to improve IAT, because the Intercooler inside the blower is just simply taxed at higher air flow.

So your on the right track, you need a larger intercooler Inside the Blower.

We even run Ice water through them and still get the same rise in temp 90 Degrees in a 10 second run, whether we start at 100 or 32 degrees

With Ice water, the only advantage is starting and finishing lower.

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Old 09-17-2013, 06:14 PM   #19
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:43 PM   #20
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:56 PM   #21
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Ted, I know HP numbers will vary with different mods, but what would be the HP limit of a 90mm throttle body before one would need to go to a 102mm?
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:09 PM   #22
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We have done a lot with PD blowers and found that the Heat exchanger and tank do nothing to improve IAT, because the Intercooler inside the blower is just simply taxed at higher air flow.

So your on the right track, you need a larger intercooler Inside the Blower.

We even run Ice water through them and still get the same rise in temp 90 Degrees in a 10 second run, whether we start at 100 or 32 degrees

With Ice water, the only advantage is starting and finishing lower.

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I agree with you Ted, that's why I see no real advantage to run a bigger tank unless we can cool it. I have always said just putting on a bigger tank will not do much.
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My money is on less than 16 degrees.
16 deg with a 9.55 pulley and 93 octane is what I was able to run. With half and half 104 octane and 93 octane I ran 20.5 deg advance and picked up another 5 mph in the 1/4.

Ted, I was just curious average above 4000 rpm how much timing it could tolerate. I know it varies with RPM but where do you max out?
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:05 PM   #24
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Was this with or with out cats? whats the horsepower difference if I was to run the cats with these headers.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:05 AM   #25
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Ted, I know HP numbers will vary with different mods, but what would be the HP limit of a 90mm throttle body before one would need to go to a 102mm?
It is Unlikely you will max out a 90mm TB with this 1900 blower.

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I agree with you Ted, that's why I see no real advantage to run a bigger tank unless we can cool it. I have always said just putting on a bigger tank will not do much.
In my experience a tank under the hood just collects Heat, that is why GM opted out of a tank.

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16 deg with a 9.55 pulley and 93 octane is what I was able to run. With half and half 104 octane and 93 octane I ran 20.5 deg advance and picked up another 5 mph in the 1/4.

Boost Loves Octane.

Ted, I was just curious average above 4000 rpm how much timing it could tolerate. I know it varies with RPM but where do you max out?
I hate to quote timing numbers because people will take it as gospel and every combination is unique, and I don't want anyone hurting they're engines on what I said.

I suggest you continue to test what works best for your combination.

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Was this with or with out cats? whats the horsepower difference if I was to run the cats with these headers.
This was With Cats, I don't expect any Power difference without them.

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Are the ID-850 injectors required for the 18% over drive crank pulley?
It is my understanding that the stock injectors will work with a 9.17" pulley.
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Are the ID-850 injectors required for the 18% over drive crank pulley?
It is my understanding that the stock injectors will work with a 9.17" pulley.
Yes they are.

The Stock injectors will have enough fuel if you shut off Cat over temp fueling but are on the ragged edge at that.

If you try and run with Cat over temp fueling on Forget it.

You can toast a set of Cats Pretty easy without the larger injectors.
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Old 09-22-2013, 01:49 AM   #28
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It is Unlikely you will max out a 90mm TB with this 1900 blower.



In my experience a tank under the hood just collects Heat, that is why GM opted out of a tank.



I hate to quote timing numbers because people will take it as gospel and every combination is unique, and I don't want anyone hurting they're engines on what I said.

I suggest you continue to test what works best for your combination.



This was With Cats, I don't expect any Power difference without them.

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Yes, Ted did all the work, if you need all the tuning numbers then that should be up to the owner to test and see what they get.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:48 AM   #29
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Picked up this car yesterday at Jannetty Racing Sat. 21.
Customer service at its best.
Big Al went over everything with me step by step and pulled my car out of the shop and we went over everything.
My car was clean, the way I left it, the work under the hood was beautiful and clean. Did I say clean!!!!!!!!
The stock parts were all put back in the aftermarket boxes and all packed nice and neat. All packed in one box. The dyno sheets and all the paperwork and SCT with all the programs were on my front seat, including catalogs from the parts. A case of Torco was in my trunk.
We did a walk around and inspect.
Ted came over and shook my hand and answered my questions and went over the mixing chart since my state does not have 93 octane. Simple as I thought.
Then Ted asked me to tour the shops. The dyno room where my car was parked held a 700+ RWHP turbo ZO6. There were 2 more there too, One monster HP car after another. At least 4 Camaro's including A 1000HP beauty.
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I am thinking of the package, I have the RotoFab scoop and lower damper. So I would want the TB, 18% , headers and cats, tune for 83 and 81, injectors. I would like to know if I can go back to stock tune when in 4 years its smog check time? Also after tune can it be back to stock tune and not be locked? May just not use cats for the 4 years.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:00 AM   #31
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I am thinking of the package, I have the RotoFab scoop and lower damper. So I would want the TB, 18% , headers and cats, tune for 83 and 81, injectors. I would like to know if I can go back to stock tune when in 4 years its smog check time? Also after tune can it be back to stock tune and not be locked? May just not use cats for the 4 years.
Everything can easily be put back to stock
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:16 PM   #32
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Is there any way to defeat the ECM memory for a tune JRE to stock, in the event of a warranty issue?
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Old 09-23-2013, 02:08 PM   #33
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Is there any way to defeat the ECM memory for a tune JRE to stock, in the event of a warranty issue?
120 volts to the ecm should do it, but I warn you there will be lots of Smoke.

All Kidding aside No Sir.

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Is there any way to defeat the ECM memory for a tune JRE to stock, in the event of a warranty issue?

Just wait for it to expire. No issues then.

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120 volts to the ecm should do it, but I warn you there will be lots of Smoke.


All Kidding aside No Sir.


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I'm going to try that...
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