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Old 10-04-2013, 10:28 AM   #51
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What are the dims on your Camaro?

Wheel Base
Front Track
Rear Track
Length
Width
Height

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Wheelbase (in / mm): 109.3 / 2775
Length (in / mm): 182.8 / 4643
Height (in / mm): 55.9 / 1421
Width (in / mm): 71.1 / 1805
Track (in / mm):
Front: 59.5 / 1512
Rear: 60.9 / 1548

2014 Camaro
WHEEL BASE 9 ft. 4.3 in. (112.3 in.)
LENGTH 15 ft. 10.6 in. (190.6 in.)
HEIGHT 4 ft. 6.2 in. (54.2 in.)
WIDTH 6 ft. 3.5 in. (75.5 in.)
FRONT TRACK 5 ft. 3.7 in. (63.7 in.)
REAR TRACK 5 ft. 4.1 in. (64.1 in.)
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Old 10-04-2013, 05:50 PM   #52
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Nice work there! It's not retro enough though. Don't get me wrong, I like it but I was thinking we need to get away from the 5th Gen since it's been done already. Go with something that no one has seen before and has elements which are familiar, that's the idea of a concept car. Make it reminiscent of the 2nd or 3rd Gen. Now that will catch people's eye.
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This concept is intended to be more of an evolution than a revolution. It borrows styling cues from previous years including the 5th gen so it will have a familiarity to it but yet be a new style. There's quite a bit that's different on it actually.

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So hours of designs and discussions and the 3D rendering looks like a 2014 Camaro with different headlights and lower bumper.
Umm....no. The ONLY thing I took from the 2014 was that small center area in the bottom of the upper grill because that area was fairly well received; especially on the Z/28. Other than that that there's nothing else in this design that looks like the 2014.
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The back of the car (which is still a work in progress) looks NOTHING like the 2014 model.
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Neither does the side view other than that one small area in the upper grill.
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What are the dims on your Camaro?

Wheel Base
Front Track
Rear Track
Length
Width
Height

ATS

Wheelbase (in / mm): 109.3 / 2775
Length (in / mm): 182.8 / 4643
Height (in / mm): 55.9 / 1421
Width (in / mm): 71.1 / 1805
Track (in / mm):
Front: 59.5 / 1512
Rear: 60.9 / 1548

2014 Camaro
WHEEL BASE 9 ft. 4.3 in. (112.3 in.)
LENGTH 15 ft. 10.6 in. (190.6 in.)
HEIGHT 4 ft. 6.2 in. (54.2 in.)
WIDTH 6 ft. 3.5 in. (75.5 in.)
FRONT TRACK 5 ft. 3.7 in. (63.7 in.)
REAR TRACK 5 ft. 4.1 in. (64.1 in.)
Oh man I WISH I'd had those dimensions before starting... I would have made this be exact!!! Interestingly though I was surprised at how close I actually am. Here are the dimensions of my concept:

Wheel Base 116.9 in.
(ATS 109.3 in.)

Front Track 66 in.
(ATS 59.5 in.)

Rear Track 66 in.
(ATS 60.9 in.)

Length 180 in.
(ATS 182.8 in.)

Width 80 in.
(ATS 71.1 in.)

Height 52 in.
(ATS 55.9 in.)

I'll have to take a close look at what it would take to change the dimensions on my model but since they're mostly real close it shouldn't change the look much other than the width. All I would have to actually change is the track, wheel base and body width. The height and length I can keep. Thanks for posting that Pete!
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:40 AM   #53
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A preliminary snapshot of the V6 and V8 backs:
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I did the V6 back first and while doing the V8 back I figured out how to do something that I can use on the V6 back. The tail lights on the V6 model will be recessed like the V8 lights are.
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Old 10-05-2013, 06:57 AM   #54
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Sorry, but guys, are you all blind? Awesome? It`s ugly AF! Looks like some cheap honda or something.
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:17 AM   #55
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I think from the side it looks like an 04 monte carlo.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:31 AM   #56
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I think from the side it looks like an 04 monte carlo.
Sorry but it's nowhere close to ANY Monte Carlo.
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A preliminary snapshot of the V6 and V8 backs:
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I did the V6 back first and while doing the V8 back I figured out how to do something that I can use on the V6 back. The tail lights on the V6 model will be recessed like the V8 lights are.
Coming together! I will reserve judgement on the recessed lights until I see them because I like what you have done here. I can still imagine a front vent and 3 rear vents.......
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Sorry, but guys, are you all blind? Awesome? It`s ugly AF! Looks like some cheap honda or something.
Now that was uncalled for
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Well maybe just the front vent.......
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I like the front...back looks a bit too much like corvette. Nice job though.
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Sorry, but guys, are you all blind? Awesome? It`s ugly AF! Looks like some cheap honda or something.
You are proof of the two rules of auto design that I discovered.

Rule #1. You can't please everybody
Rule #2. When you think you have a good design, see Rule #1.

Granted I can see how you just might not like the style, but it certainly isn't "ugly" nor does it look like a cheap Honda. It's not finished; I haven't done any side detailing yet. I've chosen for the sake of viewer interest to post up these work-in-progress snapshots so those who have been following this project can see it unfold and contribute their ideas/suggestions along the way. As the designer I've found their feedback quite valuable and it's helped make this project interesting for me as well.

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Well maybe just the front vent.......
Now that's the first one you've done that looks possible. I've spent most of my time on the front and back but now that I've seen your suggestion it brings out how much the side detailing adds to the overall look and feel of the car. I wish I had more time to work on this so I could get things done faster. I'm literally spending more time researching and watching videos on YouTube how to do things with this software than work on the car sometimes but I'm getting better and faster at doing areas now as a result.

The OTHER thing is working in 3 dimensional space is a completely different process. You quickly see what works and what doesn't when you go from a flat side view to making that a 3 dimensional object. I like designing in 3D, it just takes a different mental approach.

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I like the front...back looks a bit too much like corvette. Nice job though.
Yeah I thought carefully about that before I did this. It does have a touch of Vette back there but I made two changes which I think helps to add some flair to the design. Instead of tucking the outside bottom edges under which exposes that area to mud and whatever being thrown on it by the rear tires, I decided to flare it outward. This lets the body be part of a GFX package. I may even do a small wheel well flare to complete it so the rear tires are enclosed all around.

The second big decision was to not make the back a smooth transition from the side to the back like I did the front. The entire back is actually recessed inward about an inch. I did this zoomed in so it looked like "enough" at that level but at a distance it's hard to notice. I may double it to two inches so it's more pronounced. This avoids the plain vanilla look of the back of the 2014 refresh and will help distinguish it from the Vette. Borrowing an idea or two from the Vette isn't a bad thing I don't think; it's a great car.

Thanks for the interest and feedback everyone! The project continues.....
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A couple of quick snapshots of the back with the lights on. I also blacked out the recess and added the rear wheel well.
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Well I like this. Maybe section the tail lights like a 69 with a backup light in the center section.
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First, I applaud the length and effort that you are putting forth My first area I'd like to focus on is the Roof line. For some reason, it gives off a resemblance to our rival. The next area is at the base of the C-pillar that meets the door and the hood. I think I've seen something similar on an exotic, not sure if a Lambo or Ferrari. I understand that you are trying to increase front visibility, but that area looks off from your 2D drawings. How about rounding out that area of the hood that drops into the door.

If you are to scale with the ATS architecture, the car looks a little wider than the 5th gen from the rear view. To lessen the appearance, maybe widen the top cabin to offset it.

And like someone mentioned, the back of the Camaro resembles the C6 Corvette, which you stated is not a bad thing, but... if the Camaro team will do something to the Camaro for the 6th gen similar to what the Corvette team did for the C7, I think it will be a more evolutionary change from the 5th gen. I think the lines at the outer corners need to be softened.

The rear license plate area should envelope the entire plate IMO.

After reviewing your current dimensions, it looks that the car will come in at weight greater then the current Gen. I'm sure you'll work on making the necessary changes to meet the standards of what everyone on here would like to see the car come in around 3500 to 3600 lbs.
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Doc, I know I busted your balls many moons ago with your first design, but I'm like where you're going. I saw one poster above say about it looking like an 04 Monte. I could see that on your first couple of side pics, but I no longer feel that way.

Nice job. I could never put that much time into something that will never come to life. Interesting to see just the same.
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Now that's the first one you've done that looks possible. I've spent most of my time on the front and back but now that I've seen your suggestion it brings out how much the side detailing adds to the overall look and feel of the car. I wish I had more time to work on this so I could get things done faster. I'm literally spending more time researching and watching videos on YouTube how to do things with this software than work on the car sometimes but I'm getting better and faster at doing areas now as a result.

The OTHER thing is working in 3 dimensional space is a completely different process. You quickly see what works and what doesn't when you go from a flat side view to making that a 3 dimensional object. I like designing in 3D, it just takes a different mental approach.....
I am glad you like it. My goal was to show off the upper line of the body of your design with the side detailing and add heat vents for the engine. I wouldn't know the first thing about working in the 3D space so keep up the good work!
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A quick touch of color..... I also made improvements to the entire back. It's now recessed more and the recess edge is wider. I intend to fix the license plate recess area too so it looks more like the original 2D drawing.

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I think from the side it looks like an 04 monte carlo.
I got that impression from the drawings too.
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First, I applaud the length and effort that you are putting forth My first area I'd like to focus on is the Roof line. For some reason, it gives off a resemblance to our rival. The next area is at the base of the C-pillar that meets the door and the hood. I think I've seen something similar on an exotic, not sure if a Lambo or Ferrari. I understand that you are trying to increase front visibility, but that area looks off from your 2D drawings. How about rounding out that area of the hood that drops into the door.

Yes there's a touch of Ferrari, Lambo and Maserati in there. I think that's a good thing myself. I'm still working on that area; it's extremely difficult to get the polygon mesh to do what I want it to do.

If you are to scale with the ATS architecture, the car looks a little wider than the 5th gen from the rear view. To lessen the appearance, maybe widen the top cabin to offset it.

It is a few inches wider, but it's also designed to look wide. I want it to have a fighter jet look-and-feel instead of a sedan.

And like someone mentioned, the back of the Camaro resembles the C6 Corvette, which you stated is not a bad thing, but... if the Camaro team will do something to the Camaro for the 6th gen similar to what the Corvette team did for the C7, I think it will be a more evolutionary change from the 5th gen. I think the lines at the outer corners need to be softened.

The rear license plate area should envelope the entire plate IMO.

The back has been improved and I'm going to redo the entire rear license plate area. I've figured out how to make it look like the 2D drawing; just need time to do it.

After reviewing your current dimensions, it looks that the car will come in at weight greater then the current Gen. I'm sure you'll work on making the necessary changes to meet the standards of what everyone on here would like to see the car come in around 3500 to 3600 lbs.
The weight is dependent on the alpha platform of which I have no idea the weight. The weight isn't based on body dimension as much as what's underneath.

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Doc, I know I busted your balls many moons ago with your first design, but I'm like where you're going. I saw one poster above say about it looking like an 04 Monte. I could see that on your first couple of side pics, but I no longer feel that way.

Nice job. I could never put that much time into something that will never come to life. Interesting to see just the same.
Thank you motorhead.

Here's the latest snapshots. Side mirrors are on, and they work by the way. I can adjust the mirror inside the housing. I positioned them there to keep them out of the way for your forward vision, and they are still fully visible to the driver due to the lowered front window sills. I'll take a couple of snapshots later with a "driver" cam I've put inside that shows the driver's view looking out of the car.

I added the rear brake cooling duct on the side, the back up lights, the CAMARO on the back and doing general tweaks to body panel geometry as I go. Once I get the lower diffuser and exhaust pipes on the back it will look pretty good I think.

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Looking good Doc! I can't wait to see the final rendering and the 3D model! I really like the front and back views!
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