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Old 10-14-2013, 06:45 PM   #26
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My butt was puckered the whole time watching that run Bad to the bone
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:46 PM   #27
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4:48 yikes and 6:22+ sliding around in the wet! That is a really good time for the conditions! This is a race car for the street no doubts. The fact it can beat some of the best street cars in the world again "in the wet" is pure joy for Camaro fans everywhere and oh BTW Ford try and beat that.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:48 PM   #28
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For those that are somewhat disappointed with the lap time (7:37:47), what lap time did you expect? Just curious.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:49 PM   #29
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Congrats Chevy Performance team!! You set the bar high for other American Auto makers!
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:49 PM   #30
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Camaro Z/28 Nurburgring time = 7:37.47 !!

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For those that are somewhat disappointed with the lap time (7:37:47), what lap time did you expect? Just curious.
Low 7.30s given the upgraded parts and weight savings over a ZL1

I was hoping for a little more than 0.8% quicker than the ZL1 anyway.

That's not to say it is not a fantastic time and that shouldn't be lost in the point I'm making - of course it is fantastic, but I dunno, given all the hype I thought low 7.30s for sure.

Probably just had too much time to hype it up and expect the unreasonable though
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:55 PM   #31
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Your reading comprehension and mathematics skills are only exceeded by your typing skills...

The difference is 2 POINT 1 seconds, and an V-Spec GT-R is a lot more than $70K - in '09 or any other Model year. Unless you're buying Used. Great performance by a robot car...with AWD.

You're disappointed? I'm shocked at that turn of events. It's pretty much what I expected. Surrounded by all this "expectation creep" that's gone on, it's about what realistically SHOULD have been expected.

Deep into the 7:20s or tying-beating Z06/Z07 C6s was a pretty fanciful wish...
Why hello there. The Spec V wasnt the only 2009 model gtr smart ass. The fastest lap by the first model year was 7:26. Have you ever driven a GTR? You probably call it a robot car because that is what everyone with a slower car says to make themselves feel better
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Low 7.30s given the upgraded parts and weight savings over a ZL1

I was hoping for a little more than 0.8% quicker than the ZL1 anyway.

That's not to say it is not a fantastic time - of course it is, but I dunno, given all the hype I thought low 7.30s for sure
That's pretty fast expectation (aspiration?)! Right up there with: 26. Mercedes SLS AMG GT7:30.00Onboard N/A'12
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:59 PM   #33
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That's a great time! It's not just the time but how it was done. In a 427 Camaro Z/28 that many said would never be built. I am extremely proud and can't wait to see the video tomorrow since the internet is crap at my work.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:59 PM   #34
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I laugh at people who are disappointed in this time with the weather 54 degrees and some rain and the driver who was doing his best not to spin out when it started raining. I believe there is prolly another half a second to a second that can be had more in better conditions what are people exspecting Zr1 like times? under 7.30 mins?? Its a freaking Camaro not a corvette it weights 3800lbs and beats cars that are triple or quadruple its price. I am very happy with the time but unless I happen to win the lotto I will never be able to own one or drive one.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:12 PM   #35
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I laugh at people who are disappointed in this time with the weather 54 degrees and some rain and the driver who was doing his best not to spin out when it started raining. I believe there is prolly another half a second to a second that can be had more in better conditions what are people exspecting Zr1 like times? under 7.30 mins?? Its a freaking Camaro not a corvette it weights 3800lbs and beats cars that are triple or quadruple its price. I am very happy with the time but unless I happen to win the lotto I will never be able to own one or drive one.
The people who call it slow are the ones who could never afford it. So now they can say things like, 'now I can save my money'.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:15 PM   #36
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Camaro Z/28 Nurburgring time = 7:37.47 !!

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The people who call it slow are the ones who could never afford it. So now they can say things like, 'now I can save my money'.
Who called it slow?

It's unbelievably quick and nobody is questioning that and congratulations need to go to GM

All I'm saying is that the ZL1 is still a better achievement for GM in my opinion because that car has all the bells and whistles and STILL turns in a 7.41 time....in fact put the ZL1 on the Z28 wheel/tire combo and it would probably be quicker...
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:16 PM   #37
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tell you what.. happy to know those wipers work at 160. keepin that windshield crystal clear.. lol and i love how it out runs a storm. car's ridic.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:17 PM   #38
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The wipers work at 158mph too! Nice! It seems like they could have geared it a tad higher. Impressive!
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:21 PM   #39
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Why hello there. The Spec V wasnt the only 2009 model gtr smart ass. The fastest lap by the first model year was 7:26. Have you ever driven a GTR? You probably call it a robot car because that is what everyone with a slower car says to make themselves feel better
I would bet there are ppl calling it a robot car , that have cars faster than that GTR . Just saying. But the car did put down this time in some rain. The GTR is a made track car nothing else in mind. The camaro is a muscle car being made to perform like a track car. So, I would think that it is easy to make a car fast around the track when that's what it was. made for and nothing else.
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The fastest lap by the first model year was 7:26.
And they were roundly condemned for using non-OEM tires. The Trofeos are OEM...

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Have you ever driven a GTR? You probably call it a robot car because that is what everyone with a slower car says to make themselves feel better
Actually I have, so I speak from a position of strength. ELECTRONICS, combined with AWD, are where the 3800 lb. GT-Rs (note hyphen) get their nimbleness and finesse. Kinda like Buddha doin' the watuzi while wearing "miracle Spanks".

Thanks for your unbiased input. Noted.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:25 PM   #41
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A few things the car is incredible, but that driver is an animal. He barely backed off when the rain started. I bet he could have shaved off 3-5 seconds without the rain.

That car is insane...
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:30 PM   #42
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That thing will shave 5 seconds when it gets warmer out. Warmer temps= track stickier. The engine will be down on power, but the air is easier to cut through. I'd like to see a lap with the sun shining and 75 out.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:30 PM   #43
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Guys!! Did you watch the video? Watch it again and again please!! Conditions were far from ideal.
The track was 80% damp with light rain on 25% of the lenght.what do you expect?

Watch the slides at 4:36' and past the 6 minute mark, he's on light throtle. He oversteer of out corners 3 times due to water and at the most important turn right before the back strait. He completly miss is acceleration and has to lift. So I say that we did not see the top end speed it could off done.

All in all...about 3 seconds off would be fair. 7:35.00 would be the ideal time I think.
None the less he drove like an animal and my hats off to his 7:37.47 in damp conditions. Great job team chevy!!
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:40 PM   #44
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Now you know why some Manufacturers (Ford, for instance) does not release 'Ring times. "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" comes to mind.

Too many variables, here, to establish any sort of concrete conclusions, other than this RWD car has laid down a pretty damned admirable time. It's NOT about the time, it's going to be ALL about the driving experience. Driver input. Driver control. Driver reward.

This, in my mind, means "Ultra Mega Perma-Grin". And those who buy this car, for the purposes Chevy created it, will NOT be short-changed and/or unappreciative...
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1. Balls of steel on the driver, kudos!
2. I was disappointed to read the time...before I watched the video.
3. Cold + rain = 3 more secs shaved on a "perfect" day- :34.5
4. The engine sounds fantastic!
5. It looks like a heavy car :-(
6. It doesn't look like it wants to kill you (a la Viper).

Having already admired (above) the driver's massive, hefty balls (damp/wet track), it is also my perception he is not 100% wired in to the 'Ring. He's a bit jerky. A ringer 'Ring driver could extract another bit of time.

It's a great performance for "a Chevrolet" and presumably the Z/28 will offer tremendous value for trackrats who want a stonking V8 in an American nameplate car. Let's see the MSRP before I reach a final verdict.

Great job Camaro team, well done men.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:53 PM   #46
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Bad weather run...:/

My hats off to the driver as well. Holy crap I certainly would have slowed down at some points.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:07 PM   #47
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if the conditions effected the time they should have waited for a better day. They were over there long enough for goodness sake. I bet if you put truth serum in the GM engineers and Mark S., I bet they were hoping for better. They post that time in those conditions because that was the best they could get. Sorry, if conditions were a negative impact, they should have ran on a better day. This was a very big deal.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:07 PM   #48
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By 3.8 Seconds.
3.8 seconds is hugh! When you start running those kind of times, a few tenths are hard to find. still, I'm not impressed enough to want to give up the creature comforts included with the ZL1.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:08 PM   #49
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Bad weather run...:/

My hats off to the driver as well. Holy crap I certainly would have slowed down at some points.
No kidding! The thing is, this certainly was not the only lap they ran, but still the fastest. If you read the Chevy press release on the Z28-

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While the new Camaro Z/28 is not intended to compete in a specific race series, it is solely focused on track capability. In initial testing, the Camaro Z/28 is three seconds faster per lap than the Camaro ZL1. That extra speed comes from three areas:
they actually surpassed this claim by .8 seconds. I actually thought they were referring to VIR, but I don't know.

The car will be truly awesome for track rats. I still think it also speaks to how much a marvel the ZL1 is, to run such a close time with all the amenities it has (I am clearly biased lol).

The interesting time would be from second, third etc. consecutive laps where heat soak would be an issue for the ZL1.
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I would bet a bigger margin of victory for the Z28 versus the ZL1 at VIR.

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