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Old 10-15-2013, 04:36 PM   #226
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I am not sure why everyone is saying this car is capable of a faster time. GM understands marketing. I can't remember a domestic car with more hype in recent memory. Evrrything about this car has been sealed tight until this announcement. If they could have posted a better time they would have with as tighly controlled as the information has been held. I have said it once and I will say it again...if the weather significantly impacted the time, they would have ran the car a different day under better conditions. For those saying the car can crack the 20's, why would Chevy post this time if that was even in the realm of possibility? When you market a product, you do it under the best case scenario. If you think GM just settled for this time because they ran out of track time, you simply do not understand how marketing works. I believe they ran the car on better days and did not get a better time. Thus they posted the best time, regardless of the conditions that may lead some to believe it could have been better. They will sell all they can build so it does not really matter anyway.
They have the telemetry (from other runs) showing that they could lose 6 more seconds in better conditions.
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Reading the whole thread might help.
my thoughts exactly!
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:43 PM   #228
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If the car is capable of running faster than the next 8 cars on the list including the GT3 RS and 911 Turbo S, why wouldn't you stick around to put it in the books? It also buys you breathing room against whatever the competition comes up with next.
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GENERAL MOTORS DOES NOT OWN THE 'RING

The 'Ring is a commercial effort, that has a schedule of commitments to others. Do you think that if Porsche had rented the track, the following day (for instance), they would simply say, "Oh, it's very important to GM that they get an optimal time for the Z/28, so we'll just send all our vehicles, engineers and technicians home and give them the day off!"

Schedules. Commitments. The REAL World!!!

It rained, so it must be Mother Nature's fault. Maybe She drives a Mustang.
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There will be other tracks, comparisons, etc. All probably in the sun. Bottom line; it's awesome just as I knew it would be!
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Let me be the first to apparently mention this:

The heart of the Z/28 is the 7.0L LS7 engine. The LS7 uses lightweight, racing-proven, high-performance components, such as titanium intake valves and connecting rods, CNC-ported aluminum cylinder heads and a forged-steel crankshaft to help produce an SAE-certified 505 horsepower (376 kW) and 481 lb-ft of torque (652 Nm).

That's 11 lb-ft improvement over the Corvette's version of the LS7 (rate 470)and, packaged in a 600+ pound heavier car, I'll thank Powertrain for finding that. That is very important for this car and it's intended usage, and far more significant than a few more horses...
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:09 PM   #231
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Let me be the first to apparently mention this:

The heart of the Z/28 is the 7.0L LS7 engine. The LS7 uses lightweight, racing-proven, high-performance components, such as titanium intake valves and connecting rods, CNC-ported aluminum cylinder heads and a forged-steel crankshaft to help produce an SAE-certified 505 horsepower (376 kW) and 481 lb-ft of torque (652 Nm).

That's 11 lb-ft improvement over the Corvette's version of the LS7 (rate 470)and, packaged in a 600+ pound heavier car, I'll thank Powertrain for finding that. That is very important for this car and it's intended usage, and far more significant than a few more horses...
I mentioned that in the Official Release thread. Would the tri y headers get the extra 11 lb*ft?
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:19 PM   #232
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News Flash:

GENERAL MOTORS DOES NOT OWN THE 'RING

The 'Ring is a commercial effort, that has a schedule of commitments to others. Do you think that if Porsche had rented the track, the following day (for instance), they would simply say, "Oh, it's very important to GM that they get an optimal time for the Z/28, so we'll just send all our vehicles, engineers and technicians home and give them the day off!"

Schedules. Commitments. The REAL World!!!

It rained, so it must be Mother Nature's fault. Maybe She drives a Mustang.

Having paid to drive there myself I'm quite aware of that. If a large auto manufacturer asks track management to find a couple of hours of track time some time in the next couple of weeks they don't say no. Instead they find a couple of hours and charge extra for the short notice.
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:27 PM   #233
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I mentioned that in the Official Release thread. Would the tri y headers get the extra 11 lb*ft?

I said it in the other thread the Tri-Y's and of course the tune differences that come because of them made up the difference.

This alone makes me want Pfadt LT's. I hate how the LS3 stops gaining TQ when the HP numbers go up. How is it the factory is basically 425/425 (370/370 at the tires in my case) and then you start with cam swaps etc and they will put down 500/470 at the tires? I want TQ and I want to just basically add 150/150 to the tires to my car.
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:33 PM   #234
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A few things the car is incredible, but that driver is an animal. He barely backed off when the rain started. I bet he could have shaved off 3-5 seconds without the rain.

That car is insane...




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I hate how the LS3 stops gaining TQ when the HP numbers go up. How is it the factory is basically 425/425 (370/370 at the tires in my case) and then you start with cam swaps etc and they will put down 500/470 at the tires? I want TQ and I want to just basically add 150/150 to the tires to my car.
Then you don't understand the relationship between horsepower and torque.
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I dont know if anyone has posted pictures of the car they used but here are a few that motortrend published.
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Best. Looking. Camaro. Ever.
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I just love the way that car looks.
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What The Antichrist is to God, is what ThePill is to the Camaro, lol.

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(which I don't understand) = Lack of time.

People should know this:
Every Motorsport outing of any kind is ALWAYS dictate by time.
There is X amount of it and then it's finish.
Win or lose, Better lap time or not, we pack up and go home...till next time.
This took a lot of the mystery out of the lap time for me. I think if this was better understood there wouldn't be such a cry to just get out there and run one more lap for a better time....Probably keeps everybody from just getting one publicity lap...If it's gotta be done in the 24 hrs, and some rain hits...oh well....stuff happens...

The team spent a week at the Nürburgring as part of the Z/28's performance-validation regimen, accumulating a total of 10 hours and nearly 1,000 miles on the track. Each lap took less than eight minutes to complete, despite having to overtake slower traffic at times. These hours are part of the grueling 24-Hour Test, which simulates a full year's worth of track use of track days or amateur-level competition at the hands of an owner.

“Passing the 24-Hour Test is a requirement for all cars we call 'track capable,’” said Wayne McConnell, director of global vehicle performance. "The test pushes the car at 10/10ths on the track for a total of 24 hours. During the test the only mechanical changes allowed are replacing the brakes and tires.”

The 24-Hour Test is broken into a number of segments over the course of several days – and even at different tracks – to evaluate performance in precisely measured and carefully monitored increments. Crucially, each valid test lap must be run within 2 percent of a target lap speed to count toward the 24-hour total.

The 24-Hour Test was first used in the early 1990s for the fourth-generation Corvette. Back then, the 300-horsepower Corvette was Chevrolet’s most powerful vehicle, and the 24-Hour Test measured 15 channels of data. Today, the 2014 Camaro LS offers a 323-horsepower V-6, while the Camaro Z/28’s racing-proven LS7 7.0L small-block V-8 delivers 505 horsepower, and the 24-Hour Test measures 130 channels of data.

“Our cars' performance and capability have advanced tremendously in the past 20 years, which required us to continually improve the parameters of the 24-Hour Test," said McConnell.

"Today’s test pushes the car harder than the vast majority of customers ever will. As a result, when we call a car ‘track capable’ we are confident that it will perform reliably and consistently for our customers.”
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Yours is pretty sweet as well!
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:32 PM   #241
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A WHEEL MAN extraordinaire, to say the least! Watched the video with my 78yr old father... dad said, "In the rain, your brain is going to hold you back, I don't care who you are!"
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So be happy! Al said it in a press release What more do you want?
Have you notice that you're the one that needs to be silence?

None of the article publish for the last 2 days have mention that the results is tarnish because of this wet lap. They all praise it.
You're one of the few that expected something else. What is it?
Even if they published a 7.31 lap time, what would you have said?
It's not enough? It's never enough when racing is evolve.
They will always be a possibility for a better lap time and even if they achieve to break the 7.20's...

Here are all the articles from Journalist: Enjoy!
http://blogs.hotrod.com/newslash-201...#axzz2hpNsiJFp
http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/...urburgring-lap
http://wot.motortrend.com/2014-chevr...#axzz2hp3ps4Ql
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/...t-nurburgring/
http://www.imotortimes.com/2014-cama...fa-video-20247
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/15/c...urgring-video/
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/131019880
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoram...230536466.html
http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...ing-lap/72484/

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15...amaro-z28_auto
http://news.sportauto.fr/news/147613...evrolet-Camaro
http://www.auto123.com/fr/actualites...campaign=feeds
http://www.caradisiac.com/Ring-Folie...ideo-89878.htm
http://autostrada.tv/blog/2013/10/15...rburgring-lap/
http://www.highoctane.gr/sbj.aspx?sb...comp=chevrolet
http://autostrada.tv/blog/2013/10/15...rburgring-lap/
relax. I was not complaining of the performance, I was commenting on the excuses it was not faster. You are wound pretty tight like I called you baby ugly or something. Lol.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:46 PM   #243
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I dont know if anyone has posted pictures of the car they used but here are a few that motortrend published.
Sick! I wish they would've made the vent as wide as the hood scoop just to tear it apart from the 14 SS's
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What The Antichrist is to God, is what ThePill is to the Camaro, lol.

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That guy must have gone into convulsions when the 2000 Cobra R was released. At least the Z/28 has a back seat.
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What The Antichrist is to God, is what ThePill is to the Camaro, lol.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...2915#post12915

Took a look at his rambling rantings... he's a bit of a D-Bag. lol
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That guy must have gone into convulsions when the 2000 Cobra R was released. At least the Z/28 has a back seat.
Was he even born in 2000?
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Amazing, well done Chevy.
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relax. I was not complaining of the performance, I was commenting on the excuses it was not faster. You are wound pretty tight like I called you baby ugly or something. Lol.
maybe just a bit tight...sorry no offense intended.
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maybe just a bit tight...sorry.
its all good.
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Having paid to drive there myself I'm quite aware of that. If a large auto manufacturer asks track management to find a couple of hours of track time some time in the next couple of weeks they don't say no. Instead they find a couple of hours and charge extra for the short notice.
You've been there? And you know the way the place runs? And you know GM doesn't LIVE there? Did you for a moment think the engineering team and the vehicles had to LEAVE?

And STILL you're bleating about this?

Utopia is just up the road a piece. Keep moving.

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