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Old 10-15-2013, 08:51 PM   #251
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:06 PM   #252
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What The Antichrist is to God, is what ThePill is to the Camaro, lol.

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I always hated reading his posts when he was over here on Camaro5 stirring up sh*t. After browsing the link you posted, I see he hasn't changed. The sad part about THE PILL is he is a very educated person who has his finger on the automotive pulse, but is so blinded by his Blue Oval sunglasses that he can't admit that Chevy has done an awesome job with the Z/28.
Ford has nothing off their showroom floor that will touch it on a road course, and he just can't stand it. He keeps referring over and over that the Z is not able to compete in any sanctioned SCCA class, and therefore pointless. But it was never intended to. The original GM press release said it wasn't meant to be raced in that capacity.
I have never heard anybody that is as obsessed with Camaro bashing as he is. I'm willing to bet even the Mustang guys are tired of hearing from him.

This is me, laughing at you PILL. The Z/28 ran an awesome time and if you were any kind of a true enthusiast, you would be able to appreciate it for what it is. Sad.
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Who cares about that #%+&$/. Even saying his name is a waste of time.
Yep... them suckers can't even keep up with a lowly 1LE in the turns!

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Old 10-15-2013, 10:05 PM   #255
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for those saying 4 seconds quicker is not much really don't understand what it takes to shed seconds off a lap time once you've reached these incredible times!!

not only that but look at the cold wet weather, not sure if it would run 7:20's but I can garuntee in 70 degree weather with a dry track it would knock at least another 3 seconds off and that puts into Koenigsegg territory!! Seriously, a 3800lbs car thats rear wheel drive and only costs $70K. Wheres the BMW's, Fords or any other rear wheel drive car? Not even close!!
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You are right. Look, on the Z/28 GM "shed" over 300 lbs, got rid of all the creature comforts, gave it wild rotors and tires. Now, granted, its a great great N/A motor; Now.... look at the ZL1 with ALL its weight. Hell, what do you think would happen at the ring if you simply gave it the 305 tires in the front? Don't even worry about the rotors etc etc etc. Seems both cars are KILLERs and with the ZL1 you certainly have a TRACK CAPABLE car (with 305's, maybe as track capable as the Z/28) and you have a DRAG STRIP car too. GM is truly tweaking out the Camaro line to finish up the Gen 5. I wonder what the new Generation of engineers is up to and if the heritage will continue......?? Or are we at the Pinnacle for a few years? Something tells me we are at somewhat of a Pinnacle for the Camaro. THREE BRUTES .... (1LE) is terrific performance/value!!!
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:10 PM   #257
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You are right. Look, on the Z/28 GM "shed" over 300 lbs, got rid of all the creature comforts, gave it wild rotors and tires. Now, granted, its a great great N/A motor; Now.... look at the ZL1 with ALL its weight. Hell, what do you think would happen at the ring if you simply gave it the 305 tires in the front? Don't even worry about the rotors etc etc etc. Seems both cars are KILLERs and with the ZL1 you certainly have a TRACK CAPABLE car (with 305's, maybe as track capable as the Z/28) and you have a DRAG STRIP car too. GM is truly tweaking out the Camaro line to finish up the Gen 5. I wonder what the new Generation of engineers is up to and if the heritage will continue......?? Or are we at the Pinnacle for a few years? Something tells me we are at somewhat of a Pinnacle for the Camaro. Two BRUTES ....
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If you canceled your Z/28 order, now would be a good time to call or email your dealer.

There is a wealth of information that came out of the media day at Milford got the Z/28. Some on the record. Some off the record. The six seconds are not guess work or hypothetical. There is more in the car than people think. My best guess is a return to the Ring will produce lap times just under 7:30. I'll let the media step in because I am not sure what is on the record or off the record.
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If you canceled your Z/28 order, now would be a good time to call or email your dealer.

There is a wealth of information that came out of the media day at Milford got the Z/28. Some on the record. Some off the record. The six seconds are not guess work or hypothetical. There is more in the car than people think. My best guess is a return to the Ring will produce lap times just under 7:30. I'll let the media step in because I am not sure what is on the record or off the record.
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To date, the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 and the Dodge/SRT Viper are the only American cars to set faster marks. Chevy says the Z/28 completed a total of more than 1,000 miles at the track, never needing more than 8 mins to complete a lap despite running into heavy traffic at times.

The time is kick ass no matter what, you can't take this away from the fact. However, after 1000 miles this is the time to publish...I am sure it can do better and I am sure it will, but why this time, do they want to publish this as a wet time and not out do other GM platforms?
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If you canceled your Z/28 order, now would be a good time to call or email your dealer.

There is a wealth of information that came out of the media day at Milford got the Z/28. Some on the record. Some off the record. The six seconds are not guess work or hypothetical. There is more in the car than people think. My best guess is a return to the Ring will produce lap times just under 7:30. I'll let the media step in because I am not sure what is on the record or off the record.
Unless you PREFER the ZL1 with all the goodies and very capable of shaving time too...... with very little lowering....
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Unless you PREFER the ZL1 with all the goodies and very capable of shaving time too...... with very little lowering....

You can add the radio and A/C and I doubt it would change the time too much. Other than that, what does the ZL1 have that would make the Z/28 so unbearable to drive?
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To date, the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 and the Dodge/SRT Viper are the only American cars to set faster marks. Chevy says the Z/28 completed a total of more than 1,000 miles at the track, never needing more than 8 mins to complete a lap despite running into heavy traffic at times.

The time is kick ass no matter what, you can't take this away from the fact. However, after 1000 miles this is the time to publish...I am sure it can do better and I am sure it will, but why this time, do they want to publish this as a wet time and not out do other GM platforms?
They are not worried about stepping on the toes of the Corvette if that's what you mean. I have seen that quoted here somewhere.
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Unless you PREFER the ZL1 with all the goodies and very capable of shaving time too...... with very little lowering....
It comes down to preference. I think the ZL1 could have shaved some time off too, but that is all speculation. I prefer the ZL1 as I drive it daily, over 17K miles so far. If I was tracking, and the 6 seconds could indeed be trimmed, wow! Two different cars, but even comparing times of a daily driver with a Z28, Win WIn!
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You can add the radio and A/C and I doubt it would change the time too much. Other than that, what does the ZL1 have that would make the Z/28 so unbearable to drive?
Nobody said the Z/28 would be unbearable to drive. Don't put words in mouth please. Bad Habit! That said, that being YOUR perspective and assumption I can only say your feelings may be derived from the Z/28

It's lower to the ground... much more likely to get road damage
Harsher Ride: Like riding on a go kart.... try it for a trip somewhere.

Other than that... I guess you can turn up the radio volume in the 28 in order to compensate for all the road noise due to no insulation.

Both cars are at the Pinnacle of design ---- and you can add the 1LE to that (minus the HP). It seems to me that you may be able to tweak 3.8 more seconds out of the ZL1 at the ring with the bigger tires however. So, then what is the difference? Both cars are track capable. And they both may be equal with a little tweaking. I mean, look, even the Z/28 gets a CAI that the ZL1 was NOT blessed with. Imagine what just a couple bolt of tweaks would do to make these top tier Camaro's equal!!
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It comes down to preference. I think the ZL1 could have shaved some time off too, but that is all speculation. I prefer the ZL1 as I drive it daily, over 17K miles so far. If I was tracking, and the 6 seconds could indeed be trimmed, wow! Two different cars, but even comparing times of a daily driver with a Z28, Win WIn!
You can take those six seconds to the bank when the Z/28 is back at the Ring.
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It's lower to the ground... much more likely to get road damage
Harsh Ride: Like riding on a go kart.... try it for a trip somewhere.

Other than that... I guess you can turn up the radio volume in the 28 in order to compensate for all the road noise due to no insulation.
The ride in the Z/28 should not be harsh. We have run 305/30/19s since 2009 with coilovers and spring rates up to 14kg front and rear. The 4kg coils might work with full slicks, but were too hard for anything close t a street tire. Running 10kg and 12 kg coils with the 305s delivers a ride that is surprising civil. The spring rates in the Z/28 have not been released, but my guess is they are lower probably close to our 8kg front and 10kg rear base coilover setup or a bit under. The special DSSV Z/28 tuned strut valving addresses harshness with well tuned high and low speed damping. The ZL1 with MRC will ride better in touring mode, but the ZL1 in full track mode shouldn't be all that different than the Z/28.

As for road noise, there are quite a few ZL1 owners that pull the exhaust fuse or change out the exhaust because they think it too quiet. Having the option to be as quiet as the ZL1 is a plus.
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You can take those six seconds to the bank when the Z/28 is back at the Ring.
I will hold you to that! lol. Never seen you post something that was not accurate. That puts it around 10 seconds faster than the ZL1. Friggin impressive, and actually about what I expected for 70-75K Camaro. Rock on Chevy!
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It's lower to the ground... much more likely to get road damage
Harsh Ride: Like riding on a go kart.... try it for a trip somewhere.

Other than that... I guess you can turn up the radio volume in the 28 in order to compensate for all the road noise due to no insulation.
Well my 1970 Chevelle had no insulation, no sound deadening, no A/C, no radio, warn out shocks, warn out springs, shot bushings, no functioning interior lights and flooded if I punched it, so I think I could handle a slightly harsh ride.
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I will hold you to that! lol. Never seen you post something that was not accurate. That puts it around 10 seconds faster than the ZL1. Friggin impressive, and actually about what I expected for 70-75K Camaro. Rock on Chevy!
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I say we Pedderise Mike Lee's Z/28 and take it to the ring. I'll do the setup and suspension. You can do the driving. We'll send our bill to Mike Lee.

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I say we Pedderise Mike Lee's Z/28 and take it to the ring. I'll do the setup and suspension. You can do the driving. We'll send our bill to Mike Lee.

Excellent! Mike owes me a ride! lol
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