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Old 10-15-2013, 08:42 PM   #29
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the ceramic brakes would be nice but I think the tires on the ZL1 would basically trim 3-4 seconds off of the ZL1 time. now if you believe the Z/28 left something out there based on the rain (Al says they believe they can get another 6 seconds off) that would put the Z/28 in at around 7:31. I think those same tires on the Zl1 would bring the ZL1 in around 7:36 or so. Bottomline, the Z/28 accomplished its mission of being the ultimate track Camaro but I think what it also did was confirm what an amazing job they did engineering the ZL1 in that it carries 300 more pounds, A/C, and MYLINK and if you put the Z/28 wheel/tire combo on it probably only gives away 5 seconds with same driver, same conditions. With all that said, I would love to own a Z/28 but could not justify selling my ZL1 to get one.
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:49 PM   #30
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It's the tires.
If you look at the twisty sections, the Z28 rips through about 10 mph faster with no tire squeal. watch the same section with the ZL1 and you will hear some super stressed out tires.

The Zl1 pulls 10 to 12 mph faster in long straight, but loses alot of time in quick tight turns.

Someone that tracks the ZL1 on here has said that the michelin pilot super sports give him 3 seconds faster times than the goodyear stock tires. And all of us that have pushed the zl1 know that out tires fail us way before the brakes and chasis do.

Put the same times on the Zl1, and watch it crush that Z28 lap time.
Poor z28 fan boys, so sad

I got banned form the Z28 forum for telling those "HIGHLY INTELLIGENT LOGICAL AND SOUND MINDED PEOPLE" that the z28 wouldnt do better than a 7:37. I love being right. They had dreams of 7:22's and beating the Z06, and no amount of logic or intelligent thinking could convince them otherwise. Finally, here is the track time for the dreamers to eat with their mouths full of foot.
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:27 AM   #31
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And to all the Anti ZL1 peeps, watch the z28 vid with sound, then watch the zl1 vid with sound, then the z28 again and take note of how many times you hear the tires squeal and note how many times the driver has to counter steer out of a corner. In the z28 vid - maybe 3 times. In the ZL1 vid, constantly. The mighty ZL1 was begging for stickier shoes. The Z28 got them.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:43 AM   #32
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The Z/28 is definitely a beast of a car but it's not worth the money (which is going to be north of 60K) to me when compared to my ZL1. I know me and I would enjoy it for about a month and then I would be b*tching about not having a radio and comparing the rough ride to the smooth ride in my Z. Having AC would be no question living in South Louisiana. The ZL1 crowd and Z/28 crowd are going to be as different as night and day IMO.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:52 AM   #33
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It's the tires.

Its a little more complicated than that. If you watch my track videos I'm running the toyo R888 race/autocross tires and they are howling like mad in every corner because of the weight of the car when I'm driving them at the limit. I think the Z28 ended up using a Pirelli and it is a better tire than the Goodyear but the weight of the car magnifies tire grip trouble. If you could pull 300 lbs out of the ZL1 the cornering would be much better on whatever tire.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:56 AM   #34
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Its a little more complicated than that. If you watch my track videos I'm running the toyo R888 race/autocross tires and they are howling like mad in every corner because of the weight of the car when I'm driving them at the limit. I think the Z28 ended up using a Pirelli and it is a better tire than the Goodyear but the weight of the car magnifies tire grip trouble. If you could pull 300 lbs out of the ZL1 the cornering would be much better on whatever tire.
That makes sense. I'm surprised that more people aren't talking about the lower weight combined with the tires.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:00 AM   #35
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That makes sense. I'm surprised that more people aren't talking about the lower weight combined with the tires.
For sure. Wonder how much weight the brakes, rims tire combo and the rear window that they keep talking about would save on a ZL1. Heck the trunk in a Z28 is stripped and is bare metal without carpet. I would venture that a stripped ZL1 with the more aggressive tires would be closer but the ZL1 was not intended to be track only car. It is a full luxury street car that can be tracked. The Z28 is a full track car that can be driven on the street. That is a big difference.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:09 AM   #36
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Wow amazing time for the Z28. And in he rain at that! I can't believe a camaro is practically a 7:30 flat car. The sound of the LS7 makes the LSA pale in comparison. Congrats team camaro. Looking forward to VIR times.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:36 AM   #37
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The ZL1 is the better daily driver. The Z28 seems like a pure track toy to me.

EXACTLY -- the new Z/28 has one purpose in life: "...to hunt down Mustangs and other performance cars on the track........"

The ZL1 is a much better daily driver.....the Z/28 is a track car........
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:14 PM   #38
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It's the tires.
If you look at the twisty sections, the Z28 rips through about 10 mph faster with no tire squeal. watch the same section with the ZL1 and you will hear some super stressed out tires.

The Zl1 pulls 10 to 12 mph faster in long straight, but loses alot of time in quick tight turns.

Someone that tracks the ZL1 on here has said that the michelin pilot super sports give him 3 seconds faster times than the goodyear stock tires. And all of us that have pushed the zl1 know that out tires fail us way before the brakes and chasis do.

Put the same times on the Zl1, and watch it crush that Z28 lap time.
Poor z28 fan boys, so sad

I got banned form the Z28 forum for telling those "HIGHLY INTELLIGENT LOGICAL AND SOUND MINDED PEOPLE" that the z28 wouldnt do better than a 7:37. I love being right. They had dreams of 7:22's and beating the Z06, and no amount of logic or intelligent thinking could convince them otherwise. Finally, here is the track time for the dreamers to eat with their mouths full of foot.

Watch the ZL1 and Z/28 overlay video. The ONLY part of the track where the ZL1 out runs the Z/28 is on the long straight, where everyone and their mother knew it would. In the beginning, the Z/28 instantly started putting ground on the ZL1 and gained a huge margin. Al says they can get it down to 7:31.XX and I believe him. I doubt adding tires and brakes would shave 10 seconds off the ZL1 time.
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:22 PM   #39
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
This is exactly what I want to see
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:30 PM   #40
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Fbodfather told me months ago that the Z/28 would shine on autocross. So I think with the gearing and what not they didn't expect it to absolutely blow away the ZL1 on Nurburgring, but it probably will on autocross or especially shorter tracks with more turns.

That being stated, nothing is cooler than a 427 Camaro. So if I could, I would add a Z/28 to my garage. But not replace my ZL1 with one.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:59 PM   #41
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
this is my thought exaclty ha ha.
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I'm not hating at all but I was expecting a lower time.. I'm very proud of the Chevy team and what they accomplished.. ...I was expecting very low 7:30's.. they need to do a re run in better weather.
...and I agree with you. It's an awesome ride.....no doubt, and quite an accomplishment. The video was riveting, albeit rain and all!. Having said that... officially being 4 seconds quicker than the ZL1 <with the rain caveat>, it would have done a bit better < 3 -4 seconds> as previously mentioned due to the slick track. However, IMHO this modest performance increase does not warrant a huge price increase over the ZL1. Just sayin....
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