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Old 10-16-2013, 12:00 PM   #35
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That makes sense. I'm surprised that more people aren't talking about the lower weight combined with the tires.
For sure. Wonder how much weight the brakes, rims tire combo and the rear window that they keep talking about would save on a ZL1. Heck the trunk in a Z28 is stripped and is bare metal without carpet. I would venture that a stripped ZL1 with the more aggressive tires would be closer but the ZL1 was not intended to be track only car. It is a full luxury street car that can be tracked. The Z28 is a full track car that can be driven on the street. That is a big difference.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:09 PM   #36
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Wow amazing time for the Z28. And in he rain at that! I can't believe a camaro is practically a 7:30 flat car. The sound of the LS7 makes the LSA pale in comparison. Congrats team camaro. Looking forward to VIR times.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:36 PM   #37
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The ZL1 is the better daily driver. The Z28 seems like a pure track toy to me.

EXACTLY -- the new Z/28 has one purpose in life: "...to hunt down Mustangs and other performance cars on the track........"

The ZL1 is a much better daily driver.....the Z/28 is a track car........
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:14 PM   #38
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It's the tires.
If you look at the twisty sections, the Z28 rips through about 10 mph faster with no tire squeal. watch the same section with the ZL1 and you will hear some super stressed out tires.

The Zl1 pulls 10 to 12 mph faster in long straight, but loses alot of time in quick tight turns.

Someone that tracks the ZL1 on here has said that the michelin pilot super sports give him 3 seconds faster times than the goodyear stock tires. And all of us that have pushed the zl1 know that out tires fail us way before the brakes and chasis do.

Put the same times on the Zl1, and watch it crush that Z28 lap time.
Poor z28 fan boys, so sad

I got banned form the Z28 forum for telling those "HIGHLY INTELLIGENT LOGICAL AND SOUND MINDED PEOPLE" that the z28 wouldnt do better than a 7:37. I love being right. They had dreams of 7:22's and beating the Z06, and no amount of logic or intelligent thinking could convince them otherwise. Finally, here is the track time for the dreamers to eat with their mouths full of foot.

Watch the ZL1 and Z/28 overlay video. The ONLY part of the track where the ZL1 out runs the Z/28 is on the long straight, where everyone and their mother knew it would. In the beginning, the Z/28 instantly started putting ground on the ZL1 and gained a huge margin. Al says they can get it down to 7:31.XX and I believe him. I doubt adding tires and brakes would shave 10 seconds off the ZL1 time.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:22 PM   #39
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
This is exactly what I want to see
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:30 PM   #40
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Fbodfather told me months ago that the Z/28 would shine on autocross. So I think with the gearing and what not they didn't expect it to absolutely blow away the ZL1 on Nurburgring, but it probably will on autocross or especially shorter tracks with more turns.

That being stated, nothing is cooler than a 427 Camaro. So if I could, I would add a Z/28 to my garage. But not replace my ZL1 with one.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:59 PM   #41
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
this is my thought exaclty ha ha.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:03 PM   #42
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I'm not hating at all but I was expecting a lower time.. I'm very proud of the Chevy team and what they accomplished.. ...I was expecting very low 7:30's.. they need to do a re run in better weather.
...and I agree with you. It's an awesome ride.....no doubt, and quite an accomplishment. The video was riveting, albeit rain and all!. Having said that... officially being 4 seconds quicker than the ZL1 <with the rain caveat>, it would have done a bit better < 3 -4 seconds> as previously mentioned due to the slick track. However, IMHO this modest performance increase does not warrant a huge price increase over the ZL1. Just sayin....
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:44 PM   #43
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Fbodfather told me months ago that the Z/28 would shine on autocross. So I think with the gearing and what not they didn't expect it to absolutely blow away the ZL1 on Nurburgring, but it probably will on autocross or especially shorter tracks with more turns.

That being stated, nothing is cooler than a 427 Camaro. So if I could, I would add a Z/28 to my garage. But not replace my ZL1 with one.
That'll be one of the more expensive autocross cars there.
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:01 AM   #44
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
And same wheels / tires as Z/28 and that would make for interesting feedback.

Heck, they don't have to go back to the RING to test that theory , just do it at Milford, just take best time of Z/28 and put same wheels /tires / brakes on ZL1 and see the results...
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:04 AM   #45
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EXACTLY -- the new Z/28 has one purpose in life: "...to hunt down Mustangs and other performance cars on the track........"

The ZL1 is a much better daily driver.....the Z/28 is a track car........
Scott, I believe you were the one that worded it to me at the fest saying "the Z/28 is a street legal race car with a warranty"
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:43 AM   #46
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Great video. Still not worth my Mylink radio or the snowball AC. I am really interested in seeing who will actually man up and give up their ZL1 for one. No radio is one thing, but no AC will make a thug cry. Great looking machine nonetheless.
Well you know Its not like the dealers are not going to order some of them without AC in the lower hotter states like tx,la,&fla..its about 800 bucks or something to add ac to the thing I think maybe a grand.
its just a option..I would just check the box that adds AC and drive it,as far as a stereo its not a big deal to spend a grand and install one afterwards..
my biggest hick up about it is that the 6speed Auto is not a option,if the ZL1 can run at the track with paddles why couldnt the Z28 have it as a option..
just for those that dont know its not that i was not able to drive a stick before,but I have to use hand controls now and have no choice in the matter..
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SO who is really going to man up on a Z28

YES there are going to be those of us that want to get a Z28 as their next car,and will get it as a second or third car,But who is really going to trade in a ZL1 or a ss you have spent money on making it your own
Just think of everything your giving up ?
AS per CHEVY:

We looked at every subsystem for opportunities to save weight,” said Oppenheiser. “Our goal was to get rid of everything that didn’t make the car faster, and keep only what was required by law. For example, we wanted to eliminate the audio system completely, but we had to keep a single speaker for the seat-belt chime to meet safety requirements.”
Examples of weight saving techniques include:
Eliminated the tire-inflator kit, except for Rhode Island and New Hampshire, where it is required by law
Removed interior sound deadener, and carpeting from the trunk
Replaced the standard LN4 battery with a smaller, lightweight, LN3 battery
Specified thinner, 3.2-mm glass for the rear window, compared to 3.5-mm glass on the standard Camaro
HID headlamps and foglights are not available
Air conditioning is only available as a stand-alone option
“The team was so fanatical about saving weight, we even stripped the unused wiring out of the harness when we eliminated the fog lights, speakers, and air conditioning,” said Oppenheiser. “Every ounce saved contributed to making this the most track-capable Camaro we have ever built, and a worthy successor to the Z/28 name.


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevr...#ixzz2iHZ5hae9

just think of the pain in the butt its going to be to try to make it a good street car again,track car yes..but no HID ? no cool halo lights ?lol its a lot to give up ?
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Old 10-20-2013, 01:51 PM   #48
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I think you're beating a dead horse here AIRBULL did the definitive thread on this. Really don't need to say anymore

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Old 10-20-2013, 02:12 PM   #49
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I think you're beating I had a dead horse here AIRBULL did the definitive thread on this. Really don't need to say anymore
Well I think he has a good question. All he is asking is if someone on this site who owns a ZL1 would actually trade for a Z28. I personally would like to drive one before I said yea or ney but I would probably say I would not trade. That being said I hope for your sake I did not beat the horse anymore!
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:26 PM   #50
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Well I think he has a good question. All he is asking is if someone on this site who owns a ZL1 would actually trade for a Z28. I personally would like to drive one before I said yea or ney but I would probably say I would not trade. That being said I hope for your sake I did not beat the horse anymore!
SORRY--I really am. I did not mean it to sound as AHish as it does. So please accept my apologies
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No big deal. Just wanted him to have a chance to have his question answered. We are all here to ask and learn and sometimes some of us get taken wrong.ME included!!
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