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Old 10-17-2013, 05:33 PM   #351
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:34 PM   #352
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Yep, go to page 12. It is hilarious. BaylorCamaro and Norm are putting up valiant resistance but ThePill is just losing his mind. If the Z/28 actually finds a sanctioning body that will allow it to run we might need to send someone to take all the sharp object out of ThePill's house. :-)
The funny thing is that he's completely FOS. There are already two NASA classes where it can race today. Also if you get enough Z28's that want to race each other its pretty easy to establish a spec class to run in NASA.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:40 PM   #353
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Hope they do this again on a dry track, time needs an asterisk.

I read somewhere that they thought dry would cut it by about 6 seconds.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:48 PM   #354
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Great vid. Nice car. Good numbers. Not as interested as I thought I might be. I'm Jonesing for a lighter, more toss-able car next. As great as this car is, and let's face it, it and the ZL1 before are great but they just came along too late for me to get behind. For those on the right car change schedule, enjoy. I'm always up for a ride along.
Well, Your probably gonna stick to Driving mustang's out of the Three muscle cars. The mustang will always be lighter and more toss- able.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:52 PM   #355
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One of the GM engineers said they saw several laps in the 7:31's during testing, but they didn't have the Cameras and everything set up to make the time official.

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Old 10-17-2013, 07:32 PM   #356
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whats awesome is if they show a 7:31 lap time that is what was spectulation on the red gt500 with the roll cage, so if a na car can hang with a boosted car and caged, ford doesnt want none
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:08 PM   #357
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I was another video basically calling out FORD
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:22 PM   #358
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I think very few of you who are not impressed by the time have never driven on a wet race track.
...and I agree, it got a bit comical once the wipers came on and the driver had a few handfuls of steering wheel to deal with.....nice finish I must admit with the adversity! Good run despite the conditions.....
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:47 AM   #359
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Fantastic times especially considering the track was wet, you could clearly see at that point the driver had to back off the throttle slightly. I believe Chevy's claim of the 7:31 in perfect conditions. One thing I will say is this car is begging for more power as evident on the long straights. Another 50hp would really let this car shine.

Also in regards to The Pill, I wish he was still in this forum. While he trumps his mustangs while down playing the Camaro he is a wealth of knowledge and always seems to have insight info regarding Chevy development.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:34 AM   #360
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As a 'Ring addict since 20+ years, I can only say one thing: impressive, given the time of year that this time has been set.

Weather makes a HUGE difference there, and even a slightly damp track, is pretty slippery.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:40 AM   #361
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temp is probably a big one. although im not sure how hot it gets out there.

In summer it can easily get up to 35 degrees Celsius there; however, the past weeks it's about 12 degrees Celsius...

Edit: just noticed it showed 55° F on the display too.


Awesome

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Old 10-18-2013, 09:36 AM   #362
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So let me get this right. A respected member, or members, of Camaro5 are over on a Mustang site with the sole purpose of defending the Camaro? Isn't that the kind of thing that so many on this site complain about the Mustang guys doing over here? Seems very hypocritical to me.

As for thePil, I don't know who he is or why people on this site have issues with him but it seems a little immature to go out of your way to read his posts, let alone banter with him, on a site dedicated to the Mustang. Can't you guys see you are just feeding his ego?
I understand your POV, but you do realize Norm drives a Mustang, right? Having him debate some FUD over on a Mustang forum doesn’t seem like trolling to me.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:38 AM   #363
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So let me get this right. A respected member, or members, of Camaro5 are over on a Mustang site with the sole purpose of defending the Camaro? Isn't that the kind of thing that so many on this site complain about the Mustang guys doing over here? Seems very hypocritical to me.

As for thePil, I don't know who he is or why people on this site have issues with him but it seems a little immature to go out of your way to read his posts, let alone banter with him, on a site dedicated to the Mustang. Can't you guys see you are just feeding his ego?
The PILL is a medically retired military man that loves Ford Mustangs. He is knowledgeable and has a caustic sense of humor. He used to hang out here in C5 and drive people crazy with his well thought out mostly accurate posts with a strong Ford bias. He and I have exchanged PMs over the years. On his worst days here on C5 i give him the benefit of the doubt because I know him. I am in the minority.

Norm and Baylor Camaro are not punks acting like idiots on the Mustang site. They are a counter balance and correct misunderstandings. I have read a number of posts on several forums regarding the Trofeo tires on the Z/28 at the Ring. They are not special tires for the Ring. When the Z/28 delivers off the showroom floor, it will be wearing Trofeo rubber. Posting that information on other sites should be welcome.

Enthusiast forums are like a local bar. There is nothing wrong with spirited discussion. We welcome members from other brands here on C5. The caveat is, they are expected to comport themselves as guests in our house. When the big power GT500 was released I was quoted on another forum, I think it was SVT, a number of times and raked over the coals. I registered for the forum to clarify a number of mis-conceptions, but only after asking the moderators if I could post as a guest even though I am a vendor. The moderators did a great job. They actually supported me.

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Old 10-18-2013, 10:52 AM   #364
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If you're not impress with the driving showcased in this video, then Yes it is bad that you are not impressed.
It only means you didn't watch it and sounds like you only care absolute numbers & bragging rights.

If the Z/28 ran a 7:37:47 in Damp/rainy condition, you know that it going to be faster on a dry run, right?
You even said so: `low 7:30's is what it should run…’’

So, really, why are you not impress?

Are you not happy that GM release a stunning performance of the best Camaro ever made beating all previous iterations in a wet run?
I did not say I was not happy with the car being released I'm ecstatic, but I am unhappy they decided to release a lap time that does not represent the cars full potential

And as far as rainy/damp conditions go its anyones wild guess how much could be improved off that, on most tracks it could be 2-3 seconds, on the ring it could be 9 seconds. But you never know...

AND I DO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS, just because the car should be '6 seconds faster in the dry' doesn't mean that its going to happen, think about it when people say 'well it could have done this but...', Yeah maybe it could have, but it didn't....

I did watch the video and the track was mildy damp until it started raining which clearly gave him more problems, (and yes I am impressed with the driving I said nothing about the driver).

My point is I wish GM released a time that actually represented the cars full potential. (yes it can be argued that this makes the car looks better but it depends how you look at it)

Either way once motortrend and others get their hands on it we will have Laguna Seca lap times and VIR and every other track we can think of especially because of the car it is.

And yes I do care about the numbers, who doesn't? What is the point of a performance car if it doesn't perform? I hate the 2014 body style but I love the Z/28 it wears it beautifully, I only wish I could own one and maybe one day I'll have the opportunity. But until then all I can do is sit and wait...
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:12 AM   #365
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Surely there are other factors that should be considered... no one lap on ANY track can be the only consideration of a car's merit.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:13 AM   #366
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But the car did run a 7:31.9 in the dry, its just not official w/ video GM has the telemetry. I don't think GM has ever been shown to lie about their ring times. Unlike Nissan who has done all kinds of modifications and used different start stop lines before everyone else did.
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Surely there are other factors that should be considered... no one lap on ANY track can be the only consideration of a car's merit.
Words of wisdom there :-)
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #368
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Surely there are other factors that should be considered... no one lap on ANY track can be the only consideration of a car's merit.
Maybe you didn't read that they did a lot of laps some in traffic and all were sub 8 minutes.
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Maybe you didn't read that they did a lot of laps some in traffic and all were sub 8 minutes.
Missing my point... Mr Bird. It is just that this thread is full of fail.. a lap time or lap times does not a car make. Sure it is a gauge... and obviously important enough that GM spends big money going there... but I bet it is meant to be a development tool more so than a sales tool.

Telling you that my 1LE ran a sub 3 minute VIR tells you almost nothing about the car.
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Missing my point... Mr Bird. It is just that this thread is full of fail.. a lap time or lap times does not a car make. Sure it is a gauge... and obviously important enough that GM spends big money going there... but I bet it is meant to be a development tool more so than a sales tool.

Telling you that my 1LE ran a sub 3 minute VIR tells you almost nothing about the car.
I think what is most misunderstood (I don't fully understand it myself) is that they were "under the gun" to satisfy an elaborate 24 HR test, of which the so-called glory lap at the Ring was a scheduled part.

It had to be done under some scheduled guidelines or rules, rain or shine.
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I think what is most misunderstood (I don't fully understand it myself) is that they were "under the gun" to satisfy an elaborate 24 HR test, of which the so-called glory lap at the Ring was a scheduled part.

It had to be done under some scheduled guidelines or rules, rain or shine.
They run the 24 hour test over a couple of days. When the car comes off track they can change tires and brake pads and top off fluids. If any repair is required, the test starts over.

From what I can gather, during the MFG week, there is a professional courtesy at work to only shoot in car video after 4 or 5 o'clock. This allows all MFGs to test yet to be released vehicles without concern of of them showing up on an in car video during the bulk of track hours. If you run after a certain time in the afternoon you know there will be video.
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From what I can gather, during the MFG week, there is a professional courtesy at work to only shoot in car video after 4 or 5 o'clock. This allows all MFGs to test yet to be released vehicles without concern of of them showing up on an in car video during the bulk of track hours. If you run after a certain time in the afternoon you know there will be video.
I couldn't understand why there wouldn't be video of the 7:31 lap, but that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:58 PM   #373
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They run the 24 hour test over a couple of days. When the car comes off track they can change tires and brake pads and top off fluids. If any repair is required, the test starts over.

From what I can gather, during the MFG week, there is a professional courtesy at work to only shoot in car video after 4 or 5 o'clock. This allows all MFGs to test yet to be released vehicles without concern of of them showing up on an in car video during the bulk of track hours. If you run after a certain time in the afternoon you know there will be video.
Yep! I agree. Thanks
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