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Old 02-10-2007, 03:10 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Dodge Challenger? Thoughts?

I wanna get yalls opinion on the new dodge challenger. I hear itll have a slightly higher horsepower mark than the camaro.
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Old 02-10-2007, 06:03 PM   #2
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I REALLY like the car
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Old 02-10-2007, 06:42 PM   #3
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I like its looks and big engines, but the latest I heard, Mopar is going to offer only the Hemi engines and top trim levels. They want to skip an affordable V6 version to increase sales, making it more collectable. If they do that, good luck seeing them anywhere except sitting at shows and on the track to build image. I would rather see them out there creating more competition and reviving the musclecar genre.
I can see the Challenger being more of a limited production car than the Camaro. I don't remember how many they plan on producing.

The styling may be a bit too retro for the mass market IMO.
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Old 02-10-2007, 07:39 PM   #4
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Looks to me like its Camaros fat sister.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:04 AM   #5
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If I bought that car I'd hafta wear daisy dukes everytime I drove it. It would just feel wrong if I didnt.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:45 AM   #6
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That car is LONG too...something like almost a foot longer than the original car and a couple inches wider! I saw that car at the New York show last year and it was beautiful! If I had the extra dough, I think I would get one.

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Old 02-11-2007, 01:22 AM   #7
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Stared at it spinning for 10 min at the SJ Int carshow

If for some out of this world reason I dont get a maro, im gettin one
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:56 AM   #8
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I think it's WAY TOO RETRO. It looks like a '70 Challenger that Chip Foose got his hands on. Where do they go with the styling in 3 or 4 years? And, it's too big, being based upon the Chrysler 300.
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Old 02-11-2007, 04:02 AM   #9
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I'll be honest. If the Camaro wasn't coming back to production, I would buy one. At some point, the miles will get too high on the 4th Gen and I'll have to replace it. This is a beautiful car and I like it a lot. The crappy part is that, yes, they will only be offered in the higher trim models and they will be more expensive. I also read that there will not be a V6 model. Hurts on sales, but they do what they will... There's no other muscle car I would really want which is all that appealing to me. This would make me happy. I don't think it'll out do the Camaro in the HP range, though. GM has to be top dog on that one and with the Challenger being released first, GM will have the ability to see what Dodge is offering and then top it.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:28 AM   #10
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I'll be honest. If the Camaro wasn't coming back to production, I would buy one. At some point, the miles will get too high on the 4th Gen and I'll have to replace it. This is a beautiful car and I like it a lot. The crappy part is that, yes, they will only be offered in the higher trim models and they will be more expensive. I also read that there will not be a V6 model. Hurts on sales, but they do what they will... There's no other muscle car I would really want which is all that appealing to me. This would make me happy. I don't think it'll out do the Camaro in the HP range, though. GM has to be top dog on that one and with the Challenger being released first, GM will have the ability to see what Dodge is offering and then top it.
I really like the current Mustang, the Challenger would be my 2nd choice if there was no Camaro in the wings.

Regarding waiting to see what the Challenger would offer, you might be suprised what each automaker already knows about the other
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:20 AM   #11
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if chevy wouldnt come out with anything i would be driving a GTO right now but im holding on tight for now. i really want a sports car but im staying faithful.
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Old 02-11-2007, 04:18 PM   #12
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Buster,

I kinda agree with you on the "Guess alot of it has to do with your age and what you grew up wishing you could have.", but I grew up right in the middle of the muscle car era. (I graduated from HS in 1971), so I lived through the Challenger/Cuda, muscle car era.

Plus, I had an Uncle that got me into cars when I was 10 years old (1963). He took me to the Martin US131 Dragway, in a '55 Chevy, nearly every Saturday night for years. But I learned early on, the the big deal was the Chevys vs. Fords. So, I became a died-in-the wool Chevy guy! Mopars were not that big of a deal here in west Michigan (much more so in the Detroit area) and I never had any desire to own a Challenger or Cuda.

Through all those years, I have owned one Ford (Free, when my ex-wifes grandmother died, it became a winter beater, and two Oldsmobiles, one winter beater and one family car, the now wife drove when we got married). Other than that, I have only owned Chevrolets! My High School yearbook even mentions my "leaving in my Chevy Jacket"

But, I saw a lot of 1970 Challengers the first time around, am not all that excited to see them again. Same goes for the Mustang. I've seen the '67 Mustangs before, too. That's why I think they are both too retro. The Camaro is not so retro as either of the other two, it just makes you think of the 1st Gen, not so retro to be locked into the past.
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:08 PM   #13
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Plus the Camaro will have more HP.

If you believe the interview with Steve Saleen, the top-dog Camaro will have ~450hp from the new 6.2L V8 (as seen in the new Cadillac Escalade, tuned for more HP and probably less torque).

This means at the top we have:

-2009 Challenger = 425hp 6.1L HEMI
-2009 Camaro = 450hp 6.2L V8

The real question is weight... the Holden Commodore SS-V tops out just over 4000lbs, and so does the Dogde Charger. The real technical question is who goes on a better diet...

Either way, the Challenger looks OLD. I don't think you could advance the design past its current iteration whereas the Camaro has a nice new design direction that could be pushed in any number of ways.

Either way, I don't think anyone could go wrong with either choice... both are the hottest American Iron to come out of detroit in a loooonnnggg time.

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Old 02-11-2007, 06:59 PM   #14
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GM has never been behind Chrysler in performance and I don't expect them to start now

Hemi this Hemi that, they still had a hard time beating BBC Muscle cars back in the day
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:48 PM   #15
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if chevy wouldnt come out with anything i would be driving a GTO right now but im holding on tight for now. i really want a sports car but im staying faithful.
As would I! I test drove an '06 last Friday and SERIOUSLY thought about buying it right then. I held off of course, mainly becasue my wife would have killed me. But daaaamn that thing was fast!

As for the Challenger, I don't see how anyone can say the Challenger is going to have a more powerful motor than the Camaro as no one knows for sure what is going tobe in the Camaro. It is true that the Challenger has more power than the Camaro Concept though. However, I highly doubt the Camaro will have 400HP when it is released... my guess is that it will be more like 420-450HP.

I wouldn't buy one even if the Camaro wasn't coming out (like I said, it would be GTO for me) mainly because I think it looks straight out of the 70's. I don't think Dodge did enough to give it modern styling at all. The order I would have to go would be Camaro, GTO, '02 Camaro, Mustang, Challenger. Plus I hear the Challanger is going to be a bit of a whale.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:09 PM   #16
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If I bought that car I'd hafta wear daisy dukes everytime I drove it. It would just feel wrong if I didnt.
NICE. DO IT!... and take a pic for us...

There's no comparo to the Camaro, IMO.
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:12 PM   #17
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Casull i have the same list going for myself. im really curious if gm is thinking about building a new goat, then i will have a tie for number 1. but for the in the mean time the camaro is on top.
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Casull i have the same list going for myself. im really curious if gm is thinking about building a new goat, then i will have a tie for number 1. but for the in the mean time the camaro is on top.


It's just a question of how it will look?
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Old 02-12-2007, 12:31 AM   #19
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Hey Buster,

You're about to be "officially" and Old Geezer! Welcome to the other side of the hill, buddy. LOL

My first car was a '64 Impala 2dr, 327 4bbl, Powerglide. My first new car was my '74 Camaro Type LT/Z28, which I still own. I've owned 4 Camaros since 1974 and still own them all!

I've been very satisfied in owning most of the cars I drempt of, except maybe I would have liked to own a 1970 1/2 Z28, too.
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Old 02-12-2007, 02:34 AM   #20
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Has anybody played Need For Speed Carbon? You can drive the new charger in the game it's a beast. You can also drive a 69 maro. The cars are all fully customizable. It;s pretty tight. I definately would not get the charger over the maro, but if I could afford it I might get both.....NOT!
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Seems like a lot of people don't even know what to call it! Challenger - Charger, whatever... Great name recognition.
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Old 02-12-2007, 09:16 AM   #22
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Having seen both "up close and personal" the Challenger is a bigger car. It's built of a shortened 300C chassis.

From what I've gathered, it'll be offered in limited numbers, with the 6.2L Hemi. If you're looking for a "muscle car" with seating for four, the Challenger is your car.

It's a nice looking car.

IMO though, the new Camaro's styling is better.

(A funny "incident" at last years NYIAS. I walked over to look at the Challenger, and the guy working on the Challenger for Dodge commented how much he liked the new Camaro, and that he owns an SS himself! )
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Old 02-12-2007, 10:09 AM   #23
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I really like the new Challenger. Its definitely on my list of cars to look at. It all depends on how the respective dealers treat me and what they offer me in '08-'09. If the GM dealers try to screw me over on price too much on the Camaro, I'll look seriously at a Challenger. If DCX try to screw me over too much on price, I'll look at a Mustang. My 1st choice is the Camaro. But I think the added competition in the market place may prevent the excessive gouging we've seen with the stangs.
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Seems like a lot of people don't even know what to call it! Challenger - Charger, whatever... Great name recognition.
my thoughts exactly lol
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