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Old 10-16-2013, 11:43 PM   #35
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Rotors and brake lines are relatively cheap, and rotors are consumable. I was originally looking at 1000 for calipers. I'll need pads as well.
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Old 10-17-2013, 03:00 AM   #36
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I have been told you must swap the fronts and rears as the brake system (ABS, etc.) is designed for a "balanced" set. I am also told you must have the same type of brakes lines on the front and rear (i.e. do not put stainless on the front and leave rubber on the back). While you are doing this, upgrade to DOT4 fluid for track use or steep hill driving.
I was able to swap just the fronts. It's a weird looking having big Brembos up front and small stock V6s on the rear. But it runs fine. Only issue is squeaking but from reading other threads it means my brake pads are doing their job.

Do brake lines make that much of a difference? I had the opportunity to get some stainless lines but didnt jump on it thinking it was just a wear/tear thing with rubber vs metal.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:22 PM   #37
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I was able to swap just the fronts. It's a weird looking having big Brembos up front and small stock V6s on the rear. But it runs fine. Only issue is squeaking but from reading other threads it means my brake pads are doing their job.

Do brake lines make that much of a difference? I had the opportunity to get some stainless lines but didnt jump on it thinking it was just a wear/tear thing with rubber vs metal.
They definitely make a good difference in pedal feel and braking response. Although I'm not sure if the SS rear lines will work on your rear V6 calipers. You may just have to do the front for the time being and once you install rear Brembo calipers you can install the rear lines. Something to think about anyway..

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Old 10-19-2013, 06:11 PM   #38
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Let's assume that I have my SS brakes...

Am I better off getting a square setup for wheels? Can I just get an additional pair of rear stock wheel and bolt those onto the front with the same rubber, or does it have to be more nuanced than that? (Offsets and whatnot).

Or, will the car handle well enough with just suspension upgrades to make it not as worthwhile doing something so drastic? It seems like more rubber on the road is a good thing....
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Old 10-19-2013, 08:07 PM   #39
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Let's assume that I have my SS brakes...

Am I better off getting a square setup for wheels? Can I just get an additional pair of rear stock wheel and bolt those onto the front with the same rubber, or does it have to be more nuanced than that? (Offsets and whatnot).

Or, will the car handle well enough with just suspension upgrades to make it not as worthwhile doing something so drastic? It seems like more rubber on the road is a good thing....
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Damping with stock wheels and tires or 275s all round - 1LE Struts are a BEST BUY
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If you follow this upgrade list you will be stunned at how well you Camaro handles. Stunned. Adding a square 275 or 305 set of wheels and tires are another layer of icing on an already delicious cake.
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:39 PM   #40
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EP1201 Sub-Frame Bushings
EP6577 Radisu Bushings
Springs
  • 1LE Front
  • Pedders 220033 Rear
Damping with stock wheels and tires or 275s all round - 1LE Struts are a BEST BUY
Pedders Z Bars

If you follow this upgrade list you will be stunned at how well you Camaro handles. Stunned. Adding a square 275 or 305 set of wheels and tires are another layer of icing on an already delicious cake.
Sounds like I have a shopping list! Thanks!

Are you recommending this even without the square tire setup? But that it will also work WITH a square tire setup? There was discussion earlier in the thread that the 1LE suspension wouldn't work well without a square wheel setup.

Also: Can you clarify if the stock RS/SS wheels will fit on the front of my Camaro?

I know there's a lot of questions here... It matches all the things I don't know about all this!

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Old 10-20-2013, 12:10 AM   #41
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Sounds like I have a shopping list! Thanks!

Are you recommending this even without the square tire setup? But that it will also work WITH a square tire setup? There was discussion earlier in the thread that the 1LE suspension wouldn't work well without a square wheel setup.

Also: Can you clarify if the stock RS/SS wheels will fit on the front of my Camaro?

I know there's a lot of questions here... It matches all the things I don't know about all this!

Thanks!

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Yes, any 5th Gen wheel will fit any 5th Gen including 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28.

The parts list we are working with are not a 1LE suspension. We are using 1LE struts front and rear with 1LE springs up front and the rest are Pedders. The parts in RED are Pedders. The parts in black are OE 1LE

EP1201 Sub-Frame Bushings
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You would order front and rear 1LE struts and two front 1LE springs from a GM Dealer. The rest of the parts you would order from me. This parts grouping will work quite well with your stock tires. If you upgrade to square they will work better. Does this make things clear?
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Old 10-20-2013, 12:25 PM   #42
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Ok, so Justice Pete and I took some questions offline. Thanks man.

Here's the current plan then.

Come spring, find a set of used RS wheels. Take the rears from that set, put them up front, and then wrap everything in Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires from Rudy@Tirerack. (285/35ZR20)

I can then use the two pairs of fronts, wrap them in winter rubber, and use them in the winter! Can anyone comment on that?

Next step is to acquire the Brembo brakes / rotors/ pads / lines. I've seen used sets floating around fairly inexpensively.

After that, get the Pedders bushings (both subframe and radius) from Pete. That's a nice sized upgrade that's doable in one go.

Next, swap out the springs, struts, and install the Z bars... Pete, do you have a part number for the bars? There's a couple of different ones.

Pretty much once I get the brakes, I can start taking her to the track, and then get to truly enjoy the improved performance as things go!
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Old 10-20-2013, 03:08 PM   #43
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Sounds like a plan.

Will you need to recalibrate the speedo with those tires?
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Old 10-20-2013, 03:27 PM   #44
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Sounds like a plan.

Will you need to recalibrate the speedo with those tires?
It will be somewhat off, reading a bit faster than it was before. It's probably not a big deal. ABS and traction control will still work thanks to it being the same wheel tire combo all the way around. Being a .4" lower more or less 'for free' doesn't seem like a bad thing either.
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:14 PM   #45
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Sounds like a plan.

Will you need to recalibrate the speedo with those tires?
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It will be somewhat off, reading a bit faster than it was before. It's probably not a big deal. ABS and traction control will still work thanks to it being the same wheel tire combo all the way around. Being a .4" lower more or less 'for free' doesn't seem like a bad thing either.
Your Chevy Dealer can use the USB Scan or TECH II tool to change the tire sizes. A tuner can do it as well.
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:23 PM   #46
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I'm concerned about this as well, but as I mentioned earlier, the SS brakes are very pricey, and won't fit in my winter wheels.

Cooling ducts, race pads, and DOT 4 brake fluid will hopefully go a long way to reducing fade. I won't be racing at this point until the spring, so I have some time.
There's a guy in Calgary (I see you're in Canada) selling some Brembos off an SS for $375...pm and I can send you the info
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:10 PM   #47
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Ok, so Justice Pete and I took some questions offline. Thanks man.

Here's the current plan then.

Come spring, find a set of used RS wheels. Take the rears from that set, put them up front, and then wrap everything in Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires from Rudy@Tirerack. (285/35ZR20)

I can then use the two pairs of fronts, wrap them in winter rubber, and use them in the winter! Can anyone comment on that?

Next step is to acquire the Brembo brakes / rotors/ pads / lines. I've seen used sets floating around fairly inexpensively.

After that, get the Pedders bushings (both subframe and radius) from Pete. That's a nice sized upgrade that's doable in one go.

Next, swap out the springs, struts, and install the Z bars... Pete, do you have a part number for the bars? There's a couple of different ones.

Pretty much once I get the brakes, I can start taking her to the track, and then get to truly enjoy the improved performance as things go!
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