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Old 10-20-2013, 02:56 PM   #51
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No big deal. Just wanted him to have a chance to have his question answered. We are all here to ask and learn and sometimes some of us get taken wrong.ME included!!
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:10 PM   #52
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Nope. Love my ZL1. The fact that every 4-6K miles you are looking at replacing $2k worth of rubber says to me that the Z/28 could be a high $$$ maintenance vehicle if used for anything other than track applications. Living in Florida, I would want A/C which starts to compromise the track focus of the car. I love the idea behind the Z/28 and depending on price and allotment would love to have one but not at the expensive of my ZL1
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:16 PM   #53
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
Yep, actually I'd like to see a ZL1 with those brakes and tires and a CAI do the 'ring. I don't for the life of me understand why there is not more air when it comes from the factory.
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:16 PM   #54
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I have never considered it. A track car only is not for me. I already have a ZL1 that can track incredible if I want it to, plus cart my but around in luxury. I think you would need to be a true track enthusiast to trade a ZL1 for a Z28, and I'm simply not a track enthusiast.
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:21 PM   #55
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I will keep my ZL1, at some point if I want to go all in on tracking my car I could get the Z/28 tire, wheel and brake combo and some HP and some suspension work and I think you would have a car that would be very comparable to the stock Z/28 and still be able to reconfigure for the 1/4 mile and lose none of your DD comforts. So, from an economic standpoint I think I would stay with the ZL1. But from a desire standpoint yes I would love to have both. I think that is another of the ZL1's better points, it is so much easier to refit the ZL1 for your specific desires.
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:55 PM   #56
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I have a deposit at a large dealer in town and if they get a car I will be the first to get it. Will see......
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:00 PM   #57
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I'll keep my ZL1, the Z/28 tires look great. I love that 580 Horsepower !
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:02 PM   #58
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I just do not see the reason to trade a zl1 for a z28. I mean my understanding is you are paying a lot more for someone to remove all the luxury pieces of the zl1. You are getting a bigger motor but it has less horsepower. The brakes are better but they can be bought. I think the mag ride is the same. I think if I wanted a track car only I would start with the zl1 and go from there. That being said, I would buy a stingray first.
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:08 PM   #59
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I'll keep my ZL1. I kinda like my kidneys the way they are, and kidney donors are too hard to come by.

Whoever does buy one, and doesn't plan to track it, should order the a/c option. If they are truly only building 4000 over the next 2 years, a factory a/c car is going to be really rare.
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:59 PM   #60
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I just do not see the reason to trade a zl1 for a z28. I mean my understanding is you are paying a lot more for someone to remove all the luxury pieces of the zl1. You are getting a bigger motor but it has less horsepower. The brakes are better but they can be bought. I think the mag ride is the same. I think if I wanted a track car only I would start with the zl1 and go from there. That being said, I would buy a stingray first.
Bingo! Couldn't agree more.

This whole Z28 thing reminds me of the Civic and Civic Si.. Honda got Civic customers to fork out more dough for the "race" Civic SI - You can put go fast stuff on a non-race car, and it is still not a race car. Still, kids praised the SI as the racer/ricer holy grail. These fanboys are convinced the Z28 is a racecar, forgetting that the True GM race car is the Z06/Z07.
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:13 PM   #61
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The Z/28 is definitely a beast of a car but it's not worth the money (which is going to be north of 60K) to me when compared to my ZL1. I know me and I would enjoy it for about a month and then I would be b*tching about not having a radio and comparing the rough ride to the smooth ride in my Z. Having AC would be no question living in South Louisiana. The ZL1 crowd and Z/28 crowd are going to be as different as night and day IMO.
Agreed.
Different facial expressions too.

ZL1 guys will be smiling while driving their lambo Killers, while Z28 owners will stare at theirs in the garage and imagine it going fast at a track. - but they will know they are better than the ZL1 guys.

Or, the Zl1 guys will be laughing light to light, as the Z28 guy sulks because his "king camaro" can't keep up with a ZL1 - But, he will know his Z28 is really the faster car.

Or, the ZL1 guys will smile ear to ear as they get huge power increases from simply bolt ons, while Z28 guys scratch their brows and wonder why, $8000 in mods later, their car is not any faster. ( I have put many bolt ons to a LS7 engine, not much more power until you get inside the motor - or put a blower on it...)

More and more, I cannot wait to see these overpriced, under equipped, lightened but still really heavy, slower camaros on the road.
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:42 PM   #62
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Haha a lot of hate from this guy above^^^^^. Really upset GM calls the Z28 the king camaro huh.
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:46 PM   #63
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Sorry but the Z/28 guys (that I've talked with) have NO ill will towards the ZL1. It is an absolutely amazing Camaro. It does it all. It's a sister Camaro for goodness sake. The competition for the Z/28 is not the ZL1. Your creating a fued that doesn't exist.
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:25 PM   #64
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Bingo! Couldn't agree more.

This whole Z28 thing reminds me of the Civic and Civic Si.. Honda got Civic customers to fork out more dough for the "race" Civic SI - You can put go fast stuff on a non-race car, and it is still not a race car. Still, kids praised the SI as the racer/ricer holy grail. These fanboys are convinced the Z28 is a racecar, forgetting that the True GM race car is the Z06/Z07.
Is it not the same as saying why buy a ZL1 if you have an SS, slap a supercharger on it and it is the same car. I love my ZL1 and think it is a great car just as I do the Z/28. Anybody that knocks either is a tool.

The people that will buy the car don't car about the cost, they don't care that it doesn't have a radio, they don't care that it doesn't have 580hp. Most do care that stock vs stock as it leaves the factory floor it will beat the ZL1 on any circuit track quite handily.
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:53 PM   #65
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Agreed.
Different facial expressions too.

ZL1 guys will be smiling while driving their lambo Killers, while Z28 owners will stare at theirs in the garage and imagine it going fast at a track. - but they will know they are better than the ZL1 guys.

Or, the Zl1 guys will be laughing light to light, as the Z28 guy sulks because his "king camaro" can't keep up with a ZL1 - But, he will know his Z28 is really the faster car.

Or, the ZL1 guys will smile ear to ear as they get huge power increases from simply bolt ons, while Z28 guys scratch their brows and wonder why, $8000 in mods later, their car is not any faster. ( I have put many bolt ons to a LS7 engine, not much more power until you get inside the motor - or put a blower on it...)

More and more, I cannot wait to see these overpriced, under equipped, lightened but still really heavy, slower camaros on the road.
More than likely, someone sophisticated enough to appreciate a Z28 will be more than happy to let the ZL1 knuckledraggers duke it out illegally on the street whereas they'll exercise their car out in the proper venue that it was built for.

I also have the sinking suspicion the Z28 is going to have much more collector's value a few dozen years from now than the ZL1 will. For those of you that get off on that kind of stuff....

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Haha a lot of hate from this guy above^^^^^. Really upset GM calls the Z28 the king camaro huh.
The hurt feelings are almost palpable. They're both cool cars, I don't understand why people feel the need to be so juvenile about it.
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:10 PM   #66
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:32 PM   #67
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id buy one, throw in a roll bar with a 4 point harness, do some minor weight reduction mods, head, cam, intake, CAI, header and tune should be sick as hell and very unique in this part of the world since the dealer isn't getting any (GM decides)

but then im stuck with my ZL1 and its not for everyone so selling it would be a pain in the butt.
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:40 PM   #68
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Nightmare, you are really starting to sound like a butt hurt 14 year old that has to prove his shit is better than the other guys. Seriously, give it up and go curl up in a ball next to your ZL1 telling yourself it will all be ok.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:54 AM   #69
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More than likely, someone sophisticated enough to appreciate a Z28 will be more than happy to let the ZL1 knuckledraggers duke it out illegally on the street whereas they'll exercise their car out in the proper venue that it was built for.

I also have the sinking suspicion the Z28 is going to have much more collector's value a few dozen years from now than the ZL1 will. For those of you that get off on that kind of stuff....

The hurt feelings are almost palpable. They're both cool cars, I don't understand why people feel the need to be so juvenile about it.
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Too bad all this Z/28 "VS" ZL-1 business is getting more common and petty....I sort of enjoyed this Z/28 forum partly because it was a welcome relief from the non-stop V-6 vs V-8 bs on the rest of the web-site....

Oh well...it was good while it lasted....The curse of the Seven Deadly Sins just can't be avoided for any length of time....They are just cars....take 'em or leave 'em....
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:48 AM   #71
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More than likely, someone sophisticated enough to appreciate a Z28 will be more than happy to let the ZL1 knuckledraggers duke it out illegally on the street whereas they'll exercise their car out in the proper venue that it was built for.

I also have the sinking suspicion the Z28 is going to have much more collector's value a few dozen years from now than the ZL1 will. For those of you that get off on that kind of stuff....



The hurt feelings are almost palpable. They're both cool cars, I don't understand why people feel the need to be so juvenile about it.
So, I love the Z/28 but I am now a "knuckledragger" because I own a ZL1? WTF?? To all of you who think that those of us who own ZL1's are in some way, shape, or form intimidated or upset that Chevy built the Z/28...do me a favor....GET OVER YOURSELF. I love the Z/28 and I love my ZL1. I think there are legitimate conversation that can be made as to why some things were done or the merit of one over the other in the case of a DD or only track applications but DAMN...What happen to someone expressing an opinion without being labeled a hater or knuckledragger in this case. If you do not like what this person says and want to engage him directly then PM him. Otherwise, be care throwing everyone into the same classification of ZL1 owner PLEASE!! And coming from a guy with COBRA in his user name...do you have a dog in this fight? I already know why you are cranky so move along please.
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So, I love the Z/28 but I am now a "knuckledragger" because I own a ZL1? WTF?? To all of you who think that those of us who own ZL1's are in some way, shape, or form intimidated or upset that Chevy built the Z/28...do me a favor....GET OVER YOURSELF. I love the Z/28 and I love my ZL1. I think there are legitimate conversation that can be made as to why some things were done or the merit of one over the other in the case of a DD or only track applications but DAMN...What happen to someone expressing an opinion without being labeled a hater or knuckledragger in this case. If you do not like what this person says and want to engage him directly then PM him. Otherwise, be care throwing everyone into the same classification of ZL1 owner PLEASE!! And coming from a guy with COBRA in his user name...do you have a dog in this fight? I already know why you are cranky so move along please.
I think OP was orienting his comments towards the "NightmareZL1" posters of the world. I was agreeing with the comments in that context.

If you own a ZL1 and appreciate the Z/28 for what it is, then you are obviously among the sophisticated :-)

I like both cars for what they offer and their mission in life. As a high-performance street GT, the ZL1 is an incredible package, I've never said a negative comment about it.

PS- posters talking about duking it out at stoplights (light to light) are being nicely referred to as a "knuckledragger". If all a person can do is brag about pressing the gas pedal in a straight line, that is pretty pathetic. I'd invite them to visit their local road-course and enter into a Time-Trial if they think they have skills aside from posting smack. Lap times talk, BS walks.
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I would like to see the ZL1 do the Ring lapping with the same ceramic carbon brakes as the Z/28.
this would make no time difference on these "hero laps".
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this would make no time difference on these "hero laps".
You are basing this on actual projected times or just guessing? The post was supposed to have read tires and brakes. I was too lazy to change it after replies started in. We both know that the lap time would improve slightly with the addition of those two items. No physical way to beat the Z/28 time but improve on the original ZL1 time.
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You are basing this on actual projected times or just guessing? The post was supposed to have read tires and brakes. I was too lazy to change it after replies started in. We both know that the lap time would improve slightly with the addition of those two items. No physical way to beat the Z/28 time but improve on the original ZL1 time.
The ceramics, contrary to popularly held notions, don't offer meaningfully different stopping distances compared to iron brakes. Stopping distance, and stopping g-force, is primarily a function of the tires.

Once again, the benefits of carbon ceramic rotors is:

*No warping
*No fade (unless you are mercilessly abusing them)
*Consistent pedal pressure and feel from first lap to the last lap.
*Reduced unsprung weight and rotating mass primarily benefiting handling feel, but also responsiveness to accelerating/braking (rotational responsiveness).

So in this example, ZL1 vs Z/28 I'd agree with Backtotintops. The ZL1 by all accounts has stout durable brakes to begin with. As opposed to, let's say, a Mustang which has terrible (horrible, dreadful, pick the adjective) brakes OE. Now...a Mustang with CCB vs Iron rotors, that would make a huge difference on lap time because the stock brakes would quickly fade and the driver would have to compensate by running slower laps.

PS- Calipers are the same for an iron vs CCB brake system, only the hat/friction disc is different.

My reply is based on many years experience running carbon/ceramic or carbon/silicon/carbide brakes on track, and having installed these systems myself.
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