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Old 10-22-2013, 12:11 AM   #26
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Kind of an after the fact but this would've been my shopping list and probably would've been able to be done in your budget.

Pedders Street Z package (cradle inserts and radius rod inserts)
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Alignment set to Pedders or Pfadt aggressive street specs

Toe Rods could've waited if they didn't fit in the budget. They will help but from my experience they didn't help as much as the other stuff. Actually, I would've ditched the Toe Rods and bought a set of Pedders rear eccentrics bolts to get a better alignment. Again, another on of those not so cheap but extremely good parts.
This is the exact thing I'm contemplating. What do you think? I have pfadt tie rods already but considering selling them and buying eccentric bolts to get my rear z bar in and the alignment done.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:19 AM   #27
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This is the exact thing I'm contemplating. What do you think? I have pfadt tie rods already but considering selling them and buying eccentric bolts to get my rear z bar in and the alignment done.
Personally (especially if your car is lowered) the eccentrics bolts really made a difference in order to get the alignment into the Aggressive Street specs. Couldn't get there without them but my car is lowered about 1.5". My alignment guy wasn't a believer and kind of gave me the "your wasting your time/money" until he put them on the car and saw how much better an alignment he got with them. He was a definitely believer afterwards and commented on them when he didn't have to.

Toe rods on the other hand....so far I haven't seen any great advantage they've done for me just yet. I'm sure they'll help but I just have seen or felt some day/night difference. I did them because I was doing my FE4 conversion and I knew I was about to get an alignment. I had the extra $125 or there abouts for toe rods so I just threw them in the mix.

It's hard to swallow the cost of these but for real a alignment these are the ticket.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:56 AM   #28
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Personally (especially if your car is lowered) the eccentrics bolts really made a difference in order to get the alignment into the Aggressive Street specs. Couldn't get there without them but my car is lowered about 1.5". My alignment guy wasn't a believer and kind of gave me the "your wasting your time/money" until he put them on the car and saw how much better an alignment he got with them. He was a definitely believer afterwards and commented on them when he didn't have to.

Toe rods on the other hand....so far I haven't seen any great advantage they've done for me just yet. I'm sure they'll help but I just have seen or felt some day/night difference. I did them because I was doing my FE4 conversion and I knew I was about to get an alignment. I had the extra $125 or there abouts for toe rods so I just threw them in the mix.

It's hard to swallow the cost of these but for real a alignment these are the ticket.
It's definitely hard to swallow the price for the bolts but having read a bunch of people saying they're great, I'll take your word for it. I was also going to just do the tie rods because I'm doing the conversion and they're there but I might sell them to get the bolts.

Now, considering this is a bushing thread, was the street z or street 1 kit worth it? Night and day difference in the rear cradle bushings?
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:25 AM   #29
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It's definitely hard to swallow the price for the bolts but having read a bunch of people saying they're great, I'll take your word for it. I was also going to just do the tie rods because I'm doing the conversion and they're there but I might sell them to get the bolts.

Now, considering this is a bushing thread, was the street z or street 1 kit worth it? Night and day difference in the rear cradle bushings?
Yes. I absolutely felt the cradle bushings (even though they aren't a full bushing). I might do a full bushing one day but the inserts have worked for me so far.

I initially had the Hotchkis brace because of ease of install. Never really felt that one. Took it off and sold it for other mods and haven't missed it yet.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:32 PM   #32
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I'm waiting on mine from Kyle now. When I called him late last week he went over all three offerings with me so I could make an educated decision.
I would imagine that you have all your parts by now as long as UPS did their job.

Once you get everything installed let me know what you think, I would definitely appreciate any feedback you could give us.

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I have all BMR suspension parts on mine and couldn't be happier, I'm over 650rwhp and have no problems at all. BMR FTW!!!
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damn, i know pedders has a great reputation and maybe i should have waited. The issue was i didnt want to spend more than $600 on inserts, trailing arm and toe rods because im saving up for a cam package/conversion and either pedders or pfadt coilovers for spring 2014. I would love to buy the best of everything but cannot afford to. I will let you guys know how my parts perform if I have a chance to take my car for an alignment before winter. Montreal is already experiencing 0 degree weather at night. Thanks everybody for the feedback, much appreciated.
I don't imagine you will have any kind of issues with your BMR parts but if you do you can get a hold of me here or give me a call at the shop and we can get you squared away. When you get the parts installed let us know how everything works for you.
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Nice parts bo white! I think all will be great with the inserts. Should have them friday. Thank you BMR for the great service.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:35 PM   #35
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On a non lowered car do you still need the eccentric bolts for the alignment. I got the pedders insert and pfadt trailing arms toe rods zl1 sways and upper control arm bushings curious about the eccentric bolts
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On a non lowered car do you still need the eccentric bolts for the alignment. I got the pedders insert and pfadt trailing arms toe rods zl1 sways and upper control arm bushings curious about the eccentric bolts
How much are you lowered? 1" is ok but approaching 1 1/2" you will need the eccentrics in order to dial in the camber back to zero!
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On a non lowered car do you still need the eccentric bolts for the alignment. I got the pedders insert and pfadt trailing arms toe rods zl1 sways and upper control arm bushings curious about the eccentric bolts
No, you don't need them. Plenty of adjustment available with the OEM bolts.
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I missed that he asked about NON lowered. What I said is true, it just didn't answer his question!
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I missed that he asked about NON lowered. What I said is true, it just didn't answer his question!
You answered his question. Anything that's lowered pass 1" will need the eccentrics bolts. Since he's not lowered at all he's good to go! Plus, you also answered a future question if he does lower his car!
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How much are you lowered? 1" is ok but approaching 1 1/2" you will need the eccentrics in order to dial in the camber back to zero!
you answered it perfectly.
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Glad craddle incerts are working out. I was debating on those or full bushings as I alot x alot. Dont want it to firm on bumps or noise, if any so think incerts will do for me. Pedders for sure but I hear Whiteline are just as good and not squishy, and cheaper
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Glad craddle incerts are working out. I was debating on those or full bushings as I alot x alot. Dont want it to firm on bumps or noise, if any so think incerts will do for me. Pedders for sure but I hear Whiteline are just as good and not squishy, and cheaper
Man if you're auto crossing I would go with full bushings! The Pedders inserts are good but for any kind of track use the inserts may not do the job! With the full bushings I really didn't notice any increase in NHV, maybe a hair but nothing to worry about!
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Nice parts bo white! I think all will be great with the inserts. Should have them friday. Thank you BMR for the great service.
I think you will be fine and if/when you decide to make a some more power you can always upgrade to our BMR full rear cradle bushings (BK024) and sell the inserts here on the forums. If there is anything we can help you out with let us know.

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On a non lowered car do you still need the eccentric bolts for the alignment. I got the pedders insert and pfadt trailing arms toe rods zl1 sways and upper control arm bushings curious about the eccentric bolts
On a non-lowered car there is no need to get the aftermarket eccentric bolts because there will be ample amounts of adjustment from the factory hardware to be able to get the alignment specs you are looking for.
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Glad craddle incerts are working out. I was debating on those or full bushings as I alot x alot. Dont want it to firm on bumps or noise, if any so think incerts will do for me. Pedders for sure but I hear Whiteline are just as good and not squishy, and cheaper
I think ultimately a full bush would be the best but IMO it's all about what fits in your budget. Full bush is going to cost more and is much more of an install (higher labor cost if you don't do them). I haven't had any issues with inserts so far. They've worked for me but I only do about 2 or 3 Auto-X a year and 4 - 5 drag strip days. One day I'll probably do a full bush but I have other places to spend my mod money right now.

You can always go with an insert and if they don't work out you can sell them and get a full bushing.
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I think ultimately a full bush would be the best but IMO it's all about what fits in your budget. Full bush is going to cost more and is much more of an install (higher labor cost if you don't do them). I haven't had any issues with inserts so far. They've worked for me but I only do about 2 or 3 Auto-X a year and 4 - 5 drag strip days. One day I'll probably do a full bush but I have other places to spend my mod money right now.

You can always go with an insert and if they don't work out you can sell them and get a full bushing.
Thanks.My shop says same.At 420 hp incerts fine,but not decided yet. Probably doing XA coilovers or Pfadts. Unless I bite on a deal on supercars
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Thanks.My shop says same.At 420 hp incerts fine,but not decided yet. Probably doing XA coilovers or Pfadts. Unless I bite on a deal on supercars
I was told the same thing. Unless you are racing, you do not need full inserts for street use, even with 500-550 whp. Coil overs make a big difference coupled with suspension bushings. Its all about what you are doing
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I can feel the rear flex at 570 so maybe 550 is the break over point.
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I was told the same thing. Unless you are racing, you do not need full inserts for street use, even with 500-550 whp. Coil overs make a big difference coupled with suspension bushings. Its all about what you are doing
Yeah I do auto x and push it, but incerts should be fine. However If I do an S/C, THATS ANOTHER MATTER..LOL
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Xa coilovers are def something I will pm pedders for this spring.
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I can feel the rear flex at 570 so maybe 550 is the break over point.
Pedders says their inserts are good up to about 500 rwhp.
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