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Old 10-22-2013, 12:00 PM   #1
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Exclamation Braking: Performance vs Noise

Hello Mates!

i've been suffering from my braking system since a while. I have started tuning my 2lt Camaro and till now have around 400HP. My GM Pads are not performing well anymore. I moved to Raybestos Ceramic then Wagner Quick Stop ceramic. I got very poor performance. Even after installing a brand new R1 concept rotors.

Last week i went for HAWK Pro-Plus ferro-carbon pads. i have to say they were soooo performing wow! but they produced an ultra high noise that i really couldnt support in my ears. very very high, louder than my borla exhaust. I tried to wear them a bit but with no noticeable results.

So now i am researching again and dropped on the HAWK HPS pads, that are a bit less performance than the PRO PLUS, but still on the website they say that they are "Virtually noise-free". has anyone tried them? or any one with a solution for the PRO PLUS extreme loud noise? any work around ?

oh and a question:
Performance vs Noise
what would you choose
would you go excellent powerful braking with high noise that makes u look like driving an old car... or sacrifice a little performance to get a mixture of good braking and ride comfort ?
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I have the Hawks HPS and they squeal like hell. But IDGAF because I just want to watch the world burn.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:22 PM   #3
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I have the Hawks HPS and they squeal like hell. But IDGAF because I just want to watch the world burn.
Thanks mate! and what about performance are u happy from your HPS?

BTW Congrats on ur 777 post
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:42 PM   #4
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Are you still on the stock v6 calipers?
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I have the HPS Ferro-carbon on my charger right now, also had them on a firebird mated with EBC rotors and my dodge truck. Best braking combo I've ever had was the hawk pads with EBC rotors. I have never had any brake noise from hawk pads. You must follow their burnishing instructions to a TEE. Also, make sure you use the grease they supply! On the backs of the pads and all around the edge, where the metal backing plate meets the calipers!!

If you install them and brake them in correctly you should never have brake chatter/noise. Take them off and check for cracking on the pad surface. If there is ANY cracking, send them back defective.

My experience? I'm a parts pro and sales manager at a retailer, Advance Auto Parts. For two years now.


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Old 10-22-2013, 03:02 PM   #6
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Are you still on the stock v6 calipers?
Yes still on stock calipers

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I have the HPS Ferro-carbon on my charger right now, also had them on a firebird mated with EBC rotors and my dodge truck. Best braking combo I've ever had was the hawk pads with EBC rotors. I have never had any brake noise from hawk pads. You must follow their burnishing instructions to a TEE. Also, make sure you use the grease they supply! On the backs of the pads and all around the edge, where the metal backing plate meets the calipers!!

If you install them and brake them in correctly you should never have brake chatter/noise. Take them off and check for cracking on the pad surface. If there is ANY cracking, send them back defective.

My experience? I'm a parts pro and sales manager at a retailer, Advance Auto Parts. For two years now.


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Thanks mate for ur detailed reply that was really helpful ill try to redo the burnishing process, my hawks came without the grease:( and ill concider EBC for next time.
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Thanks mate for ur detailed reply that was really helpful ill try to redo the burnishing process, my hawks came without the grease:( and ill concider EBC for next time.
If there was no grease, that might be why you're getting noise. Head over to your local auto parts store and ask for a pack of ceramic brake lube. The reason you want ceramic lube is simple, it withstands extreme temperatures. Permatex makes some in a small purple package. They also make the low temp stuff in a green package. Again, apply to any metal to metal contact points between the caliper and the pads. Make sure to not get any on the braking surfaces!


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Old 10-22-2013, 03:16 PM   #8
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Hawk HPS suck and intermittently sound like a dump truck braking. They'll be quiet for days then all of a sudden go into dump truck mode - usually when you're trying to look cool next to a hot chick.

The only good thing about them is they are virtually dust free.

Performance sucks compared to stock pads and noisier.
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I agree the grease is a must on the back of the pads mating the pistons. Make sure it is coated good. Then make sure you follow the proper bedding in process for the pads which usually involves some pretty hard stops.
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Going with ceramic pads always trades off performance for less dust and quietness. Have you thought of acquiring some used SS brakes? They are more than capable of handling your level of power with oem pads.
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If there was no grease, that might be why you're getting noise. Head over to your local auto parts store and ask for a pack of ceramic brake lube. The reason you want ceramic lube is simple, it withstands extreme temperatures. Permatex makes some in a small purple package. They also make the low temp stuff in a green package. Again, apply to any metal to metal contact points between the caliper and the pads. Make sure to not get any on the braking surfaces!


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I agree the grease is a must on the back of the pads mating the pistons. Make sure it is coated good. Then make sure you follow the proper bedding in process for the pads which usually involves some pretty hard stops.
I did apply original GM grease from my chevrolet service center. but with no results :(

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Hawk HPS suck and intermittently sound like a dump truck braking. They'll be quiet for days then all of a sudden go into dump truck mode - usually when you're trying to look cool next to a hot chick.

The only good thing about them is they are virtually dust free.

Performance sucks compared to stock pads and noisier.
I was just about to buy them!!! thanks for the warning


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Going with ceramic pads always trades off performance for less dust and quietness. Have you thought of acquiring some used SS brakes? They are more than capable of handling your level of power with oem pads.
That's a great idea to go for the SS 4 pistons system!!
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:48 AM   #12
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I agree the grease is a must on the back of the pads mating the pistons. Make sure it is coated good. Then make sure you follow the proper bedding in process for the pads which usually involves some pretty hard stops.
hard stops are bad for bedding new pads. only nice and easy stops for about the first 50-100 miles.
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:17 PM   #13
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I've never had squeaks with my Hawks before. Guess I'm lucky? But I like them

and I've always broken in pads hard never easy. But I could be wrong
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Old 10-23-2013, 01:58 PM   #14
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With the Hawk HPS pads, it's all in how you bed them in and grease the backs, pins, retainers, etc.. If you do not do it properly you will have noisy brakes, If you do then they are very quiet and have great stopping power with less dust than stock. The HP Plus will squeak no matter what you do; that's just the nature of the pad.

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hard stops are bad for bedding new pads. only nice and easy stops for about the first 50-100 miles.
Easy stops to bring them up to temp, then a couple of hard stops to get them really hot. This would be synonymous with the instructions that my company hands down to its sales people to instruct the customers. I found following the instructions on the box that the Hawks come in work best. Which include approx. 6 easy stops and 4 hard stops.


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Thanks mate! and what about performance are u happy from your HPS?

BTW Congrats on ur 777 post
Ahh I should've mentioned I upgraded the fronts to Brembos so the braking does feel a lot better. But yes they squeal like hell. Better performing than ceramic pads, from what I'm told.
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Old 10-24-2013, 05:34 AM   #17
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With the Hawk HPS pads, it's all in how you bed them in and grease the backs, pins, retainers, etc.. If you do not do it properly you will have noisy brakes, If you do then they are very quiet and have great stopping power with less dust than stock. The HP Plus will squeak no matter what you do; that's just the nature of the pad.

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Apparently yes HP Plus are made to squeak i have tried everything. too bad they offer exceptional performance but cant keep them on a new camaro and make it sound like shit!!!
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Brembo swap and just go from there the stock single piston v6 brakes arnt worth putting anymore money into untill you get more pistons working for you, we picked up our full set of rotors, pads, calipers, and hoses with 1000 miles on them for $500
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Thought I'd try and get some help in this thread...

I'm about to put in Hawks HP Plus pads on new rotors...

My question is, (probably a dumb one at that...lol.) do you re-use the thin shim pad that is on the stock rear pads?...

The stock pads for the front did not have a removable shim....Does the piston for the front (and back) go directly onto the new pad metal back, or should there be a shim/plate in between for the piston to hit?

Thanks in advance...
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Thought I'd try and get some help in this thread...

I'm about to put in Hawks HP Plus pads on new rotors...

My question is, (probably a dumb one at that...lol.) do you re-use the thin shim pad that is on the stock rear pads?...

The stock pads for the front did not have a removable shim....Does the piston for the front (and back) go directly onto the new pad metal back, or should there be a shim/plate in between for the piston to hit?

Thanks in advance...
The Hawk pads have the shims built into the pad. Just install, Break them in and go!

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The Hawk pads have the shims built into the pad. Just install, Break them in and go!

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Ok...thanks...Just that the rear pads are not completely smooth...There's two "rough areas" on them that look like it's where the pistons would hit...Probaby ok...just wondering if the shims were needed in the rear to cover those..

Edit:....rear pistons are more of a ring than a full face like the fronts....so "rough area" I mentioned above is a non-issue....No shims, piece of cake...thanks, boys....see you on campus..lol...

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