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Old 10-24-2013, 08:46 PM   #43
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Hawk HP+'s are the pads I had on at Watkins Glen that I ended up taking off after I got the meatball flag two mornings in a row for sparks from the front wheels. The Trackmasters mechanic and I both found no reason fort the sparks. No signs of rubbing at all. After the second time we decided it had to be the pads. I put the stock Brembo pads back on and my instructor and I thought there was no difference in braking. Some people felt that the temp range of the HP+ pads are not high enough for a 4000 pound car and the braking required with the speeds at Watkins Glen. I won't run them again.
Oh yea, now I remember you telling me about that! I forgot that the sparking pads were HP+. Thanks for reminding me Rich! Back to the drawing board. Maybe just stock pads for now then graduate to Cobalt Friction? There's gotta be a middle solution though!
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:37 PM   #44
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there is a reason that race pads are expensive, lol
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:49 PM   #45
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My story FWIW.

Picked up some used DBA 5000 rotors on the front and Powerslots on the rear.

Worked great in HPDE2 with stock pads and ATE DOT4 Super Blue.

Tried same setup on same track with HPS pads. Boiled the ATE fluid and braking didn't feel as goods at stock pads. Only changed pads since stockers were getting low. Long 2.5 mile track with 20 minute sessions.

Graduated to HPDE3 even with sucky brake setup. Now running Castrol SRF fluid, Hawk DTC70 pads up front and DTC60 pads in the rear. Car slows down great and was able to run mid pack with the HPDE3 guys and my new setup after a couple of sessions. No fade issues. Bias seems forgiving even when I do something not so smart like tapping them in a corner or locking them up when un-weighted on an uphill then a running on a flatter spot.

I do run track tires and the pads are really easy to change between track days. I put the Hawk HPS pads on for street config, but will probably go back to stockers when the HPS wear out since I don't notice a significant difference on the street. Just slather the pads down with Hi Temp caliper lube when going back to street. Who cares about dust and noise at the track.

BTW - Just started running the Nitto NT01s and love them. Seems like more grip than the Toyo Proxes R888s and they heat up much quicker.
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:34 AM   #46
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Mike,

Hawk HP+'s are the pads I had on at Watkins Glen that I ended up taking off after I got the meatball flag two mornings in a row for sparks from the front wheels. The Trackmasters mechanic and I both found no reason fort the sparks. No signs of rubbing at all. After the second time we decided it had to be the pads. I put the stock Brembo pads back on and my instructor and I thought there was no difference in braking. Some people felt that the temp range of the HP+ pads are not high enough for a 4000 pound car and the braking required with the speeds at Watkins Glen. I won't run them again.
Your warning is duly noted with thanks, td. I'm about to sign up for a track day at NJMP, and even though my speeds there will be slower than yours at the Glen and my car being 300 lbs or so lighter than yours, I'd still rather go into it expecting to err on the side of caution even with HP+ as an upgrade from HPS and OE.


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Old 10-25-2013, 08:45 AM   #47
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Thunderbolt or Lighting?
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:42 AM   #49
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Nice, would love to get back there, I've run that once, and Thunderbolt a bunch of times. Lightning is a lot more flowing than Thunderbolt is, very fun track, all though turn 1 being blind can be a bit nerve racking the first few times, lol
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Nice, would love to get back there, I've run that once, and Thunderbolt a bunch of times. Lightning is a lot more flowing than Thunderbolt is, very fun track, all though turn 1 being blind can be a bit nerve racking the first few times, lol
Tell me about it. I had a car spin just past the crest as I was coming up to it, and I'd gotten all the way past the T1 flag station before any yellow flag was thrown (supposedly another car had dropped some antifreeze). Spinning car was still in motion as I went around it, and he ultimately went backwards at least 2-off. But truth be known, I felt better about getting T1 somewhere near right than I did with T5.

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Old 10-25-2013, 09:57 AM   #51
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I'd love to but with just opening the new shop i don't have the time nor the funds, lol
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