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Old 10-25-2013, 06:49 PM   #26
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that 67' does have Rally Stripes which were used on the Z/28 and a front air dam, although I don't think that was standard on 67's. I have also seen 67's without a rear spoiler.

67's did not have any badging. 68's had 302 badges for half the model year and then switched to Z/28 badges.
There were 67's built with the RS option and they did have the badging too.
funny in all those dimensions they give they did not give tire and wheel sizes.
Wheel width on the first gen. Z28 was 15x6 in '67 & '68, 15x7 in '69. I do know the first gen. Z/28s came with E70-15 tires (other Camaros including the SS came with F70-14 tires). The Z/28 badging was exactly what has been discussed here.
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So, the '67 Z/28 was $3,527. The top of the line 1967 Corvette, the 427/435HP (Underrated) model was $5,617 loaded. So in 1967, the Z/28 was 63% of the top Vette price. Take that to today...
Top Vette today is ZR1 with 3ZR package at $122,600. x .63 = The new Z/28 could cost you $77,238 (loaded). Just having fun with numbers.
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So, the '67 Z/28 was $3,527. The top of the line 1967 Corvette, the 427/435HP (Underrated) model was $5,617 loaded. So in 1967, the Z/28 was 63% of the top Vette price. Take that to today...
Top Vette today is ZR1 with 3ZR package at $122,600. x .63 = The new Z/28 could cost you $77,238 (loaded). Just having fun with numbers.
Interesting, however the top Corvette for the 2014 model year is a 3LT with the Z51 package at about $63 grand. Somehow I don't think the new Z/28 is going to be $39,690.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:10 PM   #31
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That 290 hp on the original Z28 is underrated but a lot to. More like 400hp
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...I smiled very broadly when I saw the pic. Top of the food chain brawlers, past and present. Beautiful. Thing is... a butternut yellow '67 Z/28 factory stock I had the fortunate opportunity to check out that was for sale in the late 80's but the asking price was a bit too much for me then, and who knew anything about future value because the speculation didn't really exist much at that time...but it's a lasting memory.
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That 290 hp on the original Z28 is underrated but a lot to. More like 400hp
Under rated or not, 400 hp then is a lot different from 400 hp now. I wouldn't be surprised if todays LFX V6 makes more 1960s era SAE gross power than the 400 hp that the old 302 'actually' made
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:02 PM   #34
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That front splitter is adding a few inches to the length of the Camaro.....

Looking at the exterior dimensions of the 2014 1LS Camaro and comparing it to a 1967 Camaro I see where a lot of the weight came from. Though I find conflicting data on the internet about the actual exterior dimensions of the 1967 Camaro.
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I would take the '67 over the 2014 in a heartbeat. The 1st gen Camaros had a style to them that IMO cannot be topped.
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Having drivena real 69 Z/28 on a road course, I would take the 67 over the new one. Hell, if I could find a 69-70 Boss 302 willing to trade, I would swap in a minute for the classic ride. All out performance is one thing, but it takes real skill to drive one of those old buggers well!
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Having drivena real 69 Z/28 on a road course, I would take the 67 over the new one. Hell, if I could find a 69-70 Boss 302 willing to trade, I would swap in a minute for the classic ride. All out performance is one thing, but it takes real skill to drive one of those old buggers well!
I'm just the opposite. I am totally over old cars. Compared to cars of today even the most awesome old car is crude and drives like crap.

More people agree with you than me, though, because the value of the old ones keep going up.
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In 1967, Z/28 was just the next RPO after Z27. GM didn't have a name or badges for the car. By mid-year 1968, they still didn't have a name and had been referring to it by it's RPO for a year, so they decided to just put Z/28 badges on it and make it official. RS could definitely be combined with Z/28 in 1967 and would have been marked RS. The car in the photo has rally stripes and Z/28s were the only 1st or 2nd gens to get rally stripes. No Camaros got rear spoilers until 1968. And I thought front spoilers debuted with the rear spoilers. I know that by 1969 the spoilers were RPO D80 and included front and rear spoilers.
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In 1967, Z/28 was just the next RPO after Z27. GM didn't have a name or badges for the car. By mid-year 1968, they still didn't have a name and had been referring to it by it's RPO for a year, so they decided to just put Z/28 badges on it and make it official. RS could definitely be combined with Z/28 in 1967 an would have been marked RS. The car in the photo has rally stripes and Z/28s were the only 1st or 2nd gens to get rally stripes. No Camaros got rear spoilers until 1968. And I thought front spoilers debuted with the rear spoilers. I know that by 1969 the spoilers were RPO D80 and included front and rear spoilers.
Spoilers were available for 1967 late in the model year as an OTC purchase.
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Spoilers were available for 1967 late in the model year as an OTC purchase.
That's news to me, but I'm still pretty sure that none were factory installed until 1968.
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In 1967, Z/28 was just the next RPO after Z27. GM didn't have a name or badges for the car. By mid-year 1968, they still didn't have a name and had been referring to it by it's RPO for a year, so they decided to just put Z/28 badges on it and make it official. RS could definitely be combined with Z/28 in 1967 and would have been marked RS. The car in the photo has rally stripes and Z/28s were the only 1st or 2nd gens to get rally stripes. No Camaros got rear spoilers until 1968. And I thought front spoilers debuted with the rear spoilers. I know that by 1969 the spoilers were RPO D80 and included front and rear spoilers.
As has been discussed on this forum previously, the first gen Indy Pace Cars got the Rally Stripes as well, so those stripes were not totally exclusive to the Z/28.
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That 290 hp on the original Z28 is underrated but a lot to. More like 400hp
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Under rated or not, 400 hp then is a lot different from 400 hp now. I wouldn't be surprised if todays LFX V6 makes more 1960s era SAE gross power than the 400 hp that the old 302 'actually' made
I've read for years how underrated that engine was , but Motor Trend had it 0-60 in over 7 seconds.
and before someone says something about the tire size they had the 63' Sting Ray under 6 seconds and they were no larger.
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I've read for years how underrated that engine was , but Motor Trend had it 0-60 in over 7 seconds.
and before someone says something about the tire size they had the 63' Sting Ray under 6 seconds and they were no larger.
I think the Z/28 had a few options for that engine...a cross-ram, dual-carbed manifold comes to mind....For sure would bump up hp....
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Interesting, however the top Corvette for the 2014 model year is a 3LT with the Z51 package at about $63 grand. Somehow I don't think the new Z/28 is going to be $39,690.
I never said the top 2014 Vette... I said the top Vette. there are still some ZR1's on some lots. So.... your twist of logic is faulty. Good try. I never said the Z/28 would come in at $39*** I said $70*** ish. Oh well, you tried. C-.
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I never said the top 2014 Vette... I said the top Vette. there are still some ZR1's on some lots. So.... your twist of logic is faulty. Good try. I never said the Z/28 would come in at $39*** I said $70*** ish. Oh well, you tried. C-.
Indeed, you never said the top 2014 Corvette. But by using the 1967 Camaro Z/28 and the 1967 Corvette, logic would dictate that for the 2014 Z/28 you should use the 2014 Corvette -not the 2013.
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I think the Z/28 had a few options for that engine...a cross-ram, dual-carbed manifold comes to mind....For sure would bump up hp....
Very few of the cross rams were ever used on the street, the single four barrrel carb was quite enough for the street as it was a Holley 780cfm double pumper. Once you made some linkage adjustments to the carb to better control the secondaries and or re-jetting, you were pretty much at optimum gas intake for the 302cid engine as built at the factory. Back in '69 I found a lot of improvement to be had from ignition improvements like a dual point distributor. Chevrolet Dyno charts from back in the day show the single four barrel producing 440hp@ 7,400 rpm and the cross ram dual quads producing 463hp@ 7,400 rpm.
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Indeed, you never said the top 2014 Corvette. But by using the 1967 Camaro Z/28 and the 1967 Corvette, logic would dictate that for the 2014 Z/28 you should use the 2014 Corvette -not the 2013.
If you logic dictates only using comps on cars from the same year that are released, then you cant do it because the z/28 is not released yet. Mine was a hypothetical comp. Intended to be hypothetical and my comp, as stated, justifies a $70Kish Z/28 price. My logic is sound. You can twist it... but no reason to. Correct?
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If you logic dictates only using comps on cars from the same year that are released, then you cant do it because the z/28 is not released yet. Mine was a hypothetical comp. Intended to be hypothetical and my comp, as stated, justifies a $70Kish Z/28 price. My logic is sound. You can twist it... but no reason to. Correct?
You used two cars from the same model year for 1967, so it only makes sense to do the same thing for the 2014 Z/28. I'm not really sure how that doesn't make for a fair, honest, apples to apples comparison. If you don't think it does, well I can't really convince you and I'm not even going to try. Its your opinion, and thats that. And I'm not trying to twist anything, as you said I have no reason to.

But we've taken up a little too much space in this thread with our side-discussion. So lets agree that if a 1966 Corvette with as many go-fast goodies as you could tick off on the order sheet came in at around $5,400 ... the 67 Z/28 was about $3,500 ... the 2013 ZR1 tops out at $122k ... so the 2014 Z/28 would be around 79 grand.
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