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Old 10-25-2013, 08:57 AM   #26
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That's wonderful I traded the 2007 C6 Z51 I bought new for a 2012 Camaro SS 45th and that for my 2014 Mustang GT.

Before that I had 40+ GM cars and two other Mustangs. Believe me when I say that I didn't go back to Ford for no reason.
I thnk you misunderstood what I tried to say. Suspension wise there are no changes from 2011-2014 brembo vs "track pack" cars. The brembo pacage was alot more then just brakes and wheels...although aside from those two items it sucked, it was still more.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:58 AM   #27
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Indeed they did just have the Brembo package for 2011-2012. Although it only mentions brakes & wheels it also added suspension components. The Track-Pack for 13-14 included Boss rear axle, Boss cooling components, 5w-50 oil, specific calibration and a few other parts they don't mention.
None of that outside of maybe the diff will change the way the car handles compared to a 11-12 Brembo cars.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:12 AM   #28
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No mustang out corners the respective camaro. Sorry

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Old 10-25-2013, 06:43 PM   #29
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I thnk you misunderstood what I tried to say. Suspension wise there are no changes from 2011-2014 brembo vs "track pack" cars. The brembo pacage was alot more then just brakes and wheels...although aside from those two items it sucked, it was still more.
You're the only one not understanding the point being made here. The suspension included with the Brembo Package had more changes from 2011-2014 than the Camaro has since 2010. Obviously since it's all included with the Track Pack the same still applies. And since you understand as well as you spell stop trying to argue a moot point.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:45 PM   #30
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No mustang out corners the respective camaro. Sorry

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That's the most ignorant thing I've read all day.

Oh wait you drive a ZL1 I get it.
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:08 PM   #31
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None of that outside of maybe the diff will change the way the car handles compared to a 11-12 Brembo cars.
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Typical reply of a child that ran into a dead end.
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:36 AM   #33
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Typical reply of a child that ran into a dead end.
This is quite the insult coming from a guy who posses the vocabulary and spelling skills you do.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:23 AM   #34
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These threads will never put an end to this debate, both are very solid performance cars for the money. In the end splitting hairs over lap times is ridiculous unless you make your living as a professional race car driver.

Most members on the respective car forums don't keep their cars in stock for anyway so all this discussion is pointless, it becomes who has more to spend.

Make your car as fast as you can and handle as well as possible within your budget. Both are good platforms to mod for a street driven car.

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This is quite the insult coming from a guy who posses the vocabulary and spelling skills you do.
That's what happens when you constantly post from a phone. But what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
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You're the only one not understanding the point being made here. The suspension included with the Brembo Package had more changes from 2011-2014 than the Camaro has since 2010. Obviously since it's all included with the Track Pack the same still applies. And since you understand as well as you spell stop trying to argue a moot point.

And again you are just not getting it....or avoiding it on purpose/playing dumb.

I can find no literature stating the components in the original brembo package have been changed. The additional parts in the track pack will not improve the handling other than the torsen diff.

I have searched for sites and I have searched google etc. What I am finding is the cars handling will be the same/suspension components have not been changed.

I simply asked you to prove your statement and you cant do it. He called you out on this/said you hit a dead end and that's what it is looking like.

Prove the point you made or admit you were wrong buddy.
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:33 PM   #37
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That's the most ignorant thing I've read all day.

Oh wait you drive a ZL1 I get it.
Not really. v6 cars aside

Standard ss > standard gt

Standard SS and track pack GT...well we are still discussing lol but it is close. I would summize an edge to the SS if you cant produce some major changes to suspension components like the fe4 in camaro

1le > track pack gt or even the boss

zl1 > gt500 and boss on a track. z28 > gt500 as well.

About your riff on the zl1. Yes it is somewhat lacking in a straight line compared to gt500...but we are discussing handling.

A zl1 that is 300 lbs heavier and down nearly 100hp but manages to out do a gt500 on a track. Whats that say about mustang vs Camaro chassis handling capability?

Why do you have to go down that road and rip on the mans car? You are laughing at his zl1 when you own a mustang gt? Don't start getting sour...just having a discussion here.
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Old 10-27-2013, 10:26 AM   #38
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Considering the Camaro was already a year into production when the 5.0 Mustang GT came out, I'm ok with that. Ford fans really should be happy that the 5th gen Camaro was made because it forced Ford to stop being lazy and put a real engine in their Mustang.
Well, in the interest of being fair, the current S197 Mustang platform has existed since 2005, sans powertain. And the Coyote motor was in R&D back in 2007 well before the Camaro was even known about. I know GM likes to take credit for a lot of what Ford does well, but the reality is usually a bit different.
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Typical reply of a child that ran into a dead end.
That is why he is on a lot of people"s ignore list, including mine.

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And again you are just not getting it....or avoiding it on purpose/playing dumb.

I can find no literature stating the components in the original brembo package have been changed. The additional parts in the track pack will not improve the handling other than the torsen diff.

I have searched for sites and I have searched google etc. What I am finding is the cars handling will be the same/suspension components have not been changed.

I simply asked you to prove your statement and you cant do it. He called you out on this/said you hit a dead end and that's what it is looking like.

Prove the point you made or admit you were wrong buddy.

And I told you to search for threads about the Brembo Package on one of the numerous Mustang forums. Almost any one of them eventually goes into details about the numerous Track Pack test mules and the evolution of it's components. It's no different than most people unfamiliar with Camaro forums not knowing the difference between FE3 and FE4.

Although it is funny to see you two arguing completely obvious points like you aren't wrong because you said so. Especially when part number have changed since 2011 but they don't tell you than in the brochure so that must be a lie also.
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It would be a lot easier to post links to your claims rather than writing paragraphs that don't say anything. Please show us all these changes.
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And I told you to search for threads about the Brembo Package on one of the numerous Mustang forums. Almost any one of them eventually goes into details about the numerous Track Pack test mules and the evolution of it's components. It's no different than most people unfamiliar with Camaro forums not knowing the difference between FE3 and FE4.

Although it is funny to see you two arguing completely obvious points like you aren't wrong because you said so. Especially when part number have changed since 2011 but they don't tell you than in the brochure so that must be a lie also.
I have tried and I am not finding it. I am only finding to the contrary. Why else would I ask for your sources? If the changes are so drastic...so drastic in fact that they have done even more than fe3 to fe4 it should be easy to find. I can find in one simple search about the camaro changing to fe4 and the changes that it implies. Everything I am finding on the mustang are non-suspension changes such as the torsen, cooling etc etc. Not finding suspension component changes.

Just because the part numbers have changed does not mean the parts are all that different. Could be different suppliers now, could be a minor change in the parts not necessarily affecting the performance like a grease fitting etc...could be a lot of things.

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Not really. v6 cars aside

Standard ss > standard gt

Standard SS and track pack GT...well we are still discussing lol but it is close. I would summize an edge to the SS if you cant produce some major changes to suspension components like the fe4 in camaro

1le > track pack gt or even the boss

zl1 > gt500 and boss on a track. z28 > gt500 as well.

About your riff on the zl1. Yes it is somewhat lacking in a straight line compared to gt500...but we are discussing handling.

A zl1 that is 300 lbs heavier and down nearly 100hp but manages to out do a gt500 on a track. Whats that say about mustang vs Camaro chassis handling capability?

Why do you have to go down that road and rip on the mans car? You are laughing at his zl1 when you own a mustang gt? Don't start getting sour...just having a discussion here.

So have you ever taken a look at the lap times from say Laguna Seca? Look at where the Camaro ZL1 and GT500 fall in on that track as it's much different than all these trendy as of late Ring times. They paint a much different picture of how these cars actually compare to each other. All of the Mustangs short comings could be cured by running a bigger tire on all four corners but they don't, so be it.

With that being said I could buy a ZL1 tomorrow if I really wanted to but I don't. After being a GMFanboy for so long it isn't even on my top 10 list of cars I'd thinkabout if I had $60K to waste. Given this is personal choice the attitude several ZL1 owners sport on here is a joke, which is why I said what I did.
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It would be a lot easier to post links to your claims rather than writing paragraphs that don't say anything. Please show us all these changes.
Please don't use the term "us" when you're talking about two people.

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I have tried and I am not finding it. I am only finding to the contrary. Why else would I ask for your sources? If the changes are so drastic...so drastic in fact that they have done even more than fe3 to fe4 it should be easy to find. I can find in one simple search about the camaro changing to fe4 and the changes that it implies. Everything I am finding on the mustang are non-suspension changes such as the torsen, cooling etc etc. Not finding suspension component changes.

Just because the part numbers have changed does not mean the parts are all that different. Could be different suppliers now, could be a minor change in the parts not necessarily affecting the performance like a grease fitting etc...could be a lot of things.

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You're trying way too hard to look like the smart on here and it's getting beyond annoying. First of all the FE3 to FE4 upgrade was nothing more than polishing a turd. The FE4 suspension is what should've came on the car from day one. Even then it's silly that you keep arguing as the FE4 came along due to R&D on the ZL1. Which is why the components of the Brembo Package suspension has changed as the Boss302 and revised GT500 hit the streets.

The fact that you keep bringing up cooling upgrades and the Torsen differential is reason enough you should just quit arguing. Neither of them have anything to do with changes made during a period they weren't even available. Fact of the matter is the Brembo Suspension of 2011 isn't the exact same as 2014, period.
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You're trying way too hard to look like the smart on here and it's getting beyond annoying. First of all the FE3 to FE4 upgrade was nothing more than polishing a turd. The FE4 suspension is what should've came on the car from day one. Even then it's silly that you keep arguing as the FE4 came along due to R&D on the ZL1. Which is why the components of the Brembo Package suspension has changed as the Boss302 and revised GT500 hit the streets.

The fact that you keep bringing up cooling upgrades and the Torsen differential is reason enough you should just quit arguing. Neither of them have anything to do with changes made during a period they weren't even available. Fact of the matter is the Brembo Suspension of 2011 isn't the exact same as 2014, period.
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