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Old 10-31-2013, 03:35 PM   #501
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I think he was applying the Fbodfather good guy discount!
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:21 PM   #502
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Okay I just heard........!!!

I always get a chuckle when the thread starts with "a friend said, a guy I know told me, my dealer says that". It is different when you can reference a real person as a source from GM, as fbodfather actually is! I have priced ceramic brakes before. I am pretty sure 90% of you will back down as soon as the actual price to upgrade to them is released.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:08 PM   #503
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Ok, My honest dealer actually did call me today..... No Z/28 news, no surprise there.

After reading fbodfather's post, I'll finally take a stab at the MSRP........ $67,995 base model.
I am adding in a guesstimate of $4,000/unit profit for GM which at a production of 4,000 units is $16 million profit.
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Hemm...I wonder what it would cost...

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Take a 1LE -- price that out
2014 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE (from build and price - base) - $37,550.00

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Add an LS7 Engine (go price one of those out)
OK. $14,000.00 for the engine + $2449 for the front accessory drive (so $16,450.00 - I was looking to see about putting one of these in a car once).

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Add the carbon/ceramic brakes -- (go price those out)
So someone said somewhere that the brakes are like $10,000.00, right?

I can't imagine the cost of the rest of the options like the lighter glass (Which has to withstand all of the bumps rattles and shifts the car goes through while still being lighter and removing the a/c)

Just being a 1LE + LS7 + Ceramic Brakes + FADK...

$37,550 + $16,450 + 10,000 = 64,000.00 (rounded off a little).

$64,000.00. And that's without figuring out the rest of the parts and labor that went into making this car work. Ladies and Gentlemen I would say that the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 will be at least 69,995 (they will want to make a profit on it - they are a business).

Expect to pay 70,000.00 for the car.

That's my guess.

P.S there are several reports out there on the internet - interviews with various GM people - that state that the Z/28 will be more expensive than the ZL1. I'd love to track them down for you but I figure where is the fun in that?
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Lots of GM people said it will be the most expensive camaro offered, dont forget in your price breakdown the wheels tires suspension
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:27 AM   #506
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Hemm...I wonder what it would cost...



2014 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE (from build and price - base) - $37,550.00



OK. $14,000.00 for the engine + $2449 for the front accessory drive (so $16,450.00 - I was looking to see about putting one of these in a car once).



So someone said somewhere that the brakes are like $10,000.00, right?

I can't imagine the cost of the rest of the options like the lighter glass (Which has to withstand all of the bumps rattles and shifts the car goes through while still being lighter and removing the a/c)

Just being a 1LE + LS7 + Ceramic Brakes + FADK...

$37,550 + $16,450 + 10,000 = 64,000.00 (rounded off a little).

$64,000.00. And that's without figuring out the rest of the parts and labor that went into making this car work. Ladies and Gentlemen I would say that the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 will be at least 69,995 (they will want to make a profit on it - they are a business).

Expect to pay 70,000.00 for the car.

That's my guess.

P.S there are several reports out there on the internet - interviews with various GM people - that state that the Z/28 will be more expensive than the ZL1. I'd love to track them down for you but I figure where is the fun in that?
Al O. said it during an interview, which one I don't know.
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Hemm...I wonder what it would cost...



2014 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE (from build and price - base) - $37,550.00



OK. $14,000.00 for the engine + $2449 for the front accessory drive (so $16,450.00 - I was looking to see about putting one of these in a car once).



So someone said somewhere that the brakes are like $10,000.00, right?

I can't imagine the cost of the rest of the options like the lighter glass (Which has to withstand all of the bumps rattles and shifts the car goes through while still being lighter and removing the a/c)

Just being a 1LE + LS7 + Ceramic Brakes + FADK...

$37,550 + $16,450 + 10,000 = 64,000.00 (rounded off a little).

$64,000.00. And that's without figuring out the rest of the parts and labor that went into making this car work. Ladies and Gentlemen I would say that the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 will be at least 69,995 (they will want to make a profit on it - they are a business).

Expect to pay 70,000.00 for the car.

That's my guess.

P.S there are several reports out there on the internet - interviews with various GM people - that state that the Z/28 will be more expensive than the ZL1. I'd love to track them down for you but I figure where is the fun in that?
Just remember the prices you are using above are not their costs but have a profit already built in. GM won't be paying those prices.
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Just remember the prices you are using above are not their costs but have a profit already built in. GM won't be paying those prices.
GM won't be but you will. Remember Fbodfather said to get the car approved it HAS TO RETURN A PROFIT.
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GM won't be but you will. Remember Fbodfather said to get the car approved it HAS TO RETURN A PROFIT.
Agreed, however he is using retail prices in his calculations, then adding in more profit on top of the retail parts price.
It will be expensive no doubt.
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So someone said somewhere that the brakes are like $10,000.00, right?

I don't see how the carbon ceramic brakes could add $10k alone. The Z06 got new wheels and tires, cc brakes and magnetic dampers as part of a $9.5k option.
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He has also not taken into consideration that the new parts replace 1LE parts; LS3, Brakes,...This would bring the price back down.
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Now I don't disagree that that manager is probably way off, I'm looking at the mid to high 50's, lets say 57,500.
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He has also not taken into consideration that the new parts replace 1LE parts; LS3, Brakes,...This would bring the price back down.
This thought is nice - but that's not usally how a business works. Most places will just take an existing product and modify it and then claim it's more expensive because of the modifications to the existing product.

Again, if you read carefully the post at the top of page 21 in this thread, you will notice that there is mention of "cost" for the removal of an A/C system. If the A/C system was being taken out - wouldn't they discount that instead of it "costing" the consumer? I know you are going to say, "but they have to make block off plates - etc, etc."

The cost of the modifications shouldn't outweigh the removal of the system outright - but it will in the long run depending on how the modifications are made to the base product. If they have to stamp new firewalls and new fenders to remove any holes that existed previous to allow the A/C system, the cost will go up substantially because they will pass the creation of new dies and machinery to use them on to the consumer.

It would be nice if a product could start from scratch and just be built whole - cost would probably go down for a lot of existing parts, but then would quality suffer in the long run? Just another good question.

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Agreed, however he is using retail prices in his calculations, then adding in more profit on top of the retail parts price.
It will be expensive no doubt.
I'm just following the advice of someone who posted here to arrive at a conclusion. I don't think there was any mention of taking the "GM Cost" of the 1LE and going from there. Otherwise I would have.

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I don't see how the carbon ceramic brakes could add $10k alone. The Z06 got new wheels and tires, cc brakes and magnetic dampers as part of a $9.5k option.
Wilwood carbon ceramic brake kit (yes it's for a mustang but you get the idea) - $7,162.39
Oh and that's just for the FRONT brakes, no rears.

I bet you could tack on another 7k for rear carbon-ceramic brakes (14k? geez).

edit: here's a USED Porsche carbon-ceramic full kit (front and rear) on ebay for only 9449.00. USED. dayum.

I would bet near anything that when they built the car the justification of "look how expensive carbon-ceramic brake kits are, we can tack that WHOLE NUMBER onto the price!" in order to "turn a profit".

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if these were the exact words spoken.
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This thought is nice - but that's not usally how a business works. Most places will just take an existing product and modify it and then claim it's more expensive because of the modifications to the existing product.

Again, if you read carefully the post at the top of page 21 in this thread, you will notice that there is mention of "cost" for the removal of an A/C system. If the A/C system was being taken out - wouldn't they discount that instead of it "costing" the consumer? I know you are going to say, "but they have to make block off plates - etc, etc."

The cost of the modifications shouldn't outweigh the removal of the system outright - but it will in the long run depending on how the modifications are made to the base product. If they have to stamp new firewalls and new fenders to remove any holes that existed previous to allow the A/C system, the cost will go up substantially because they will pass the creation of new dies and machinery to use them on to the consumer.

It would be nice if a product could start from scratch and just be built whole - cost would probably go down for a lot of existing parts, but then would quality suffer in the long run? Just another good question.



I'm just following the advice of someone who posted here to arrive at a conclusion. I don't think there was any mention of taking the "GM Cost" of the 1LE and going from there. Otherwise I would have.



Wilwood carbon ceramic brake kit (yes it's for a mustang but you get the idea) - $7,162.39
Oh and that's just for the FRONT brakes, no rears.

I bet you could tack on another 7k for rear carbon-ceramic brakes (14k? geez).

edit: here's a USED Porsche carbon-ceramic full kit (front and rear) on ebay for only 9449.00. USED. dayum.

I would bet near anything that when they built the car the justification of "look how expensive carbon-ceramic brake kits are, we can tack that WHOLE NUMBER onto the price!" in order to "turn a profit".

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if these were the exact words spoken.

If that was true, how do you explain the 1LE package only being $3,500? New forged wheels, high performance tires, suspension upgrades, new transmission, oil and trans cooler, new rear gears and hood wrap would be more than that if you priced them out individually.
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If that was true, how do you explain the 1LE package only being $3,500? New forged wheels, high performance tires, suspension upgrades, new transmission, oil and trans cooler, new rear gears and hood wrap would be more than that if you priced them out individually.
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Let's play a game. Everyone guess what the Z28's base price will be. It's probably going to be a while before that is released but it will be fun to see what everyone thinks and to see who was closest when it's finally released.

I'm going to say $69,995 including destination and gas guzzler tax, before options.

edit: Keep in mind that GM has already said that the Z/28 will be positioned above the ZL1.
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Some of you guys have not been around racing there is nothing track specific with a v8 that sells under $80k
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If that was true, how do you explain the 1LE package only being $3,500? New forged wheels, high performance tires, suspension upgrades, new transmission, oil and trans cooler, new rear gears and hood wrap would be more than that if you priced them out individually.
This is exactly why we can't speculate costs based on how much more individual parts cost at the retail level. I can't buy ceramic brakes for less than 10k, but I bet GM can. Same goes for the engine, an LS7 costs me 15k or whatever, but it does't cost GM that much to manufacture it. And, as far as costs to "remove parts like the AC, I highly douby GM is going to build an SS then start stripping it down to Z/28 spec. they just wont install the AC.

To keep my post relative, my guess is $68,722 + tax, fees, etc. And of course dealers will try to gouge us. I also bet that I wont be able to get on in Canada for less than 100k
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The 1LE package only being 3500 is because what it costS GM for those parts all together is probably a small fraction of what it costs you and me. Im going to say the Z/28 is in the 62-65 range.
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...the 1LE package is a nuts package for it's price, what a deal....Chevy is gonna work it and price it as they see fit. The 1LE was brought in under, so shall the Z/28 be.
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