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Old 10-31-2013, 04:28 PM   #113
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I'd much prefer that it was a simple matter of checking the engine I wanted, matched with the suspension/brakes. A new age LX, if you will. I don't want or need somebody's name plastered all over the car. Just a fresh coat of paint, stripped - options wise, with a gnarly engine and suspension. No nomenclature would be a nice way of saying to the dealer "I really don't need you to tack on your ridiculous ADM onto the car. This is just a boring no option car that nobody but me would ever want."

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Old 10-31-2013, 05:30 PM   #114
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http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rburgring.html

Here is the link with all of the information. One thing that I observed if you watch the overlay videos closely you can see the ZL1 get out ahead of the GT500 in the curvy sections of the track while the GT500 gets ahead of the ZL1 in the strait sections of the track. That is exactly what I expected. The GT500 had the big advantage coming out of the long strait which they both entered at nearly the exact same time.
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:36 PM   #115
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Let's just say the video is accurate and it is a click faster at the ring (I doubt it but). The real world for the majority of us is the good ole US of A. The GT500 has not beat a single Zl1 on a track in the US in any head to head competition. Either way, good for them and good for us.
That's not entirely true. If you define beating as being chosen by the authors, then you are correct. If you define beating as posting better lap times, the GT500 did so by 0.5s at Laguna Seca by Motor Trend and by 1.3s at Streets of Willow by Inside Line. A lot of people here seem to be confusing better with faster. I would say, without question, the ZL1 is the better track car. Is it the faster track car though? That's pretty much up in the air depending on track selection and driver. Some Castrol SRF (DOT 4 is recommended for track use in the manual) in the GT500 would make endurance comparisons much more interesting.
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:37 PM   #116
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I want it all shown as in the official GM video. Let's view the g meter, also the actual location thru track layout using GPS, and a real timer not one that is "guesstimated" after the video. I am a former SVT Cobra Mustang owner This would have been published long ago by SVT if it had been real. Too much speculation on the part of the OP that had posted it initially.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:19 PM   #117
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http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rburgring.html

Here is the link with all of the information. One thing that I observed if you watch the overlay videos closely you can see the ZL1 get out ahead of the GT500 in the curvy sections of the track while the GT500 gets ahead of the ZL1 in the strait sections of the track. That is exactly what I expected. The GT500 had the big advantage coming out of the long strait which they both entered at nearly the exact same time.
I was looking at that overlay also, the Shelby has some sick straight away speed. Makes me wonder what it would be capable of with the ZL1/Z28 tires.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:23 PM   #118
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Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:32 PM   #119
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Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.
Wrong. It's built at the Flatrock plant with the other Mustangs.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:36 PM   #120
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:44 PM   #121
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Considering the ZL1 is 3 seconds faster as per Car and Driver's Lightning Lap, I don't see how a stock GT500 would be faster on the 'Ring. Plus, the way Randy Pobst talked about the brake fade in the GT500, I don't think it would do very well on a nearly 13 mile twisty road course. I'm thinking the car wasn't stock or there was a timing error.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:46 PM   #122
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Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:56 PM   #123
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Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:04 PM   #124
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I was looking at that overlay also, the Shelby has some sick straight away speed. Makes me wonder what it would be capable of with the ZL1/Z28 tires.
I'd like to know also. The GT500 uses the same Goodyear F1 Supercar G2's as the ZL1, just an inch narrower and the Z/28 comes with Pirelli P Zero's.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:12 PM   #125
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I'd like to know also. The GT500 uses the same Goodyear F1 Supercar G2's as the ZL1, just an inch narrower and the Z/28 comes with Pirelli P Zero's.
P Zero Trofeo R to be exact. Very sticky DOT track tires.



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Old 10-31-2013, 07:29 PM   #126
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In my opinion, any "ring" time comparison, within say, 10 - 15 seconds, makes the cars equal. That time can be made up or lost with a driver change.
This.

But I still like the ZL1 better. It did 7:41:28...with a sunroof. That's doing it like a boss. Or better than a Boss 302, at least.
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