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Old 10-31-2013, 12:44 PM   #103
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The GT500 is faster. deal with it.

note: i dont own a gt500
No worries, I didn't need your opinion. BTW, you're only proving my point...

I wouldn't be surprised if the GT500 was very competitive with the ZL1, particularly on a circuit that catered to its straight line speed advantage. On a course where you can't spend a lot of time at WOT, I still would expect the ZL1 to be quicker. They're both real, real fast cars, just with different strengths.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:38 PM   #104
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In my opinion, any "ring" time comparison, within say, 10 - 15 seconds, makes the cars equal. That time can be made up or lost with a driver change.
Agreed but a driver with intimate and extended time on that track would be very consistent.

If your point is to put me behind the wheel you would lose a minute and a half.......or more lol
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:11 PM   #105
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Welcome back, sir. Always good to have an articulate, engineering-centric person on this site, regardless of personal preferences.

1) In that regard, and considering your ability to cut through media-speak and get directly to the salient points, I'd be interested in your assessment of the Z/28. Care to share?

Also, as was mentioned on your favored site sometime back by our mutual friend (the one so concerned currently about the Z/28's non-conformity to sanctioning bodies' rules), wasn't a Blue GT 500 timed by his German-based friends running "mid-7:40s" while Big Red (the winglet-wearing car you displayed here) equipped with a full measure of the FRPP catalog timed running "into the 7:30's"?

2) So, to what standard was Sid's video game star equipped and prepared? Blue-level, or Red-line? Or is that information known, and shareable?

Once again, welcome back, and thank you for your reasoned responses.
Thanks for the kind words Joe.

My assessment of the Z/28? Color me very impressed with what GM was able to do. The engine is a work of art, the brakes are to behold, and the no-frills weight reduction is something I've been begging for for years - in a plain Jane Mustang of course. I considered one but that's as far as I went. I have nothing but good things to say about it.

I'm off to SEMA next week and I'll see what I can dig up about the blue car that was in Sid's video.

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Old 10-31-2013, 02:15 PM   #106
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Agreed but a driver with intimate and extended time on that track would be very consistent.

If your point is to put me behind the wheel you would lose a minute and a half.......or more lol
put me behind the wheel and Id still be driving the track lol
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:21 PM   #107
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My guess is that they changed the brake fluid to DOT 4 just like the owners manual suggests to do when racing, just like I'm sure they did the 1,500 mile break-in and diff service on the ZL1 as per the owners manual before sending it on the track.

In independent testing DOT 4 fluid has been proven to cure the GT500's brake fade issues.
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:24 PM   #108
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Thanks for the kind words Joe.

My assessment of the Z/28? Color me very impressed with what GM was able to do. The engine is a work of art, the brakes are to behold, and the no-frills weight reduction is something I've been begging for for years - in a plain Jane Mustang of course. I considered one but that's as far as I went. I have nothing but good things to say about it.

I'm off to SEMA next week and I'll see what I can dig up about the blue car that was in Sid's video.

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Old 10-31-2013, 03:00 PM   #109
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Who cares what manufactures and magazines claim for times when it comes down to it, it is all about the driver is such close times like these. Car X may have more horsepower and better times driven by a professional than car Y but no two drivers are equal what good is any amount of horsepower if the driver doesnt know how to race it.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:50 PM   #110
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over thinking it...
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Old 10-31-2013, 04:26 PM   #111
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Maybe they don't release them because they have never had anything fast enough lol.
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:11 PM   #112
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Car company's live through marketing. Ford did an hour long infomercial on the Boss as it was being released citing its track prowess. If ANY company has a means to positively market their product they'll do it.

Bottom line that manufactured write up and video is pure Koolaid!
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:28 PM   #113
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I'd much prefer that it was a simple matter of checking the engine I wanted, matched with the suspension/brakes. A new age LX, if you will. I don't want or need somebody's name plastered all over the car. Just a fresh coat of paint, stripped - options wise, with a gnarly engine and suspension. No nomenclature would be a nice way of saying to the dealer "I really don't need you to tack on your ridiculous ADM onto the car. This is just a boring no option car that nobody but me would ever want."

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Old 10-31-2013, 06:30 PM   #114
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http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rburgring.html

Here is the link with all of the information. One thing that I observed if you watch the overlay videos closely you can see the ZL1 get out ahead of the GT500 in the curvy sections of the track while the GT500 gets ahead of the ZL1 in the strait sections of the track. That is exactly what I expected. The GT500 had the big advantage coming out of the long strait which they both entered at nearly the exact same time.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:36 PM   #115
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Let's just say the video is accurate and it is a click faster at the ring (I doubt it but). The real world for the majority of us is the good ole US of A. The GT500 has not beat a single Zl1 on a track in the US in any head to head competition. Either way, good for them and good for us.
That's not entirely true. If you define beating as being chosen by the authors, then you are correct. If you define beating as posting better lap times, the GT500 did so by 0.5s at Laguna Seca by Motor Trend and by 1.3s at Streets of Willow by Inside Line. A lot of people here seem to be confusing better with faster. I would say, without question, the ZL1 is the better track car. Is it the faster track car though? That's pretty much up in the air depending on track selection and driver. Some Castrol SRF (DOT 4 is recommended for track use in the manual) in the GT500 would make endurance comparisons much more interesting.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:37 PM   #116
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I want it all shown as in the official GM video. Let's view the g meter, also the actual location thru track layout using GPS, and a real timer not one that is "guesstimated" after the video. I am a former SVT Cobra Mustang owner This would have been published long ago by SVT if it had been real. Too much speculation on the part of the OP that had posted it initially.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:19 PM   #117
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http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rburgring.html

Here is the link with all of the information. One thing that I observed if you watch the overlay videos closely you can see the ZL1 get out ahead of the GT500 in the curvy sections of the track while the GT500 gets ahead of the ZL1 in the strait sections of the track. That is exactly what I expected. The GT500 had the big advantage coming out of the long strait which they both entered at nearly the exact same time.
I was looking at that overlay also, the Shelby has some sick straight away speed. Makes me wonder what it would be capable of with the ZL1/Z28 tires.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:23 PM   #118
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Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:32 PM   #119
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Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.
Wrong. It's built at the Flatrock plant with the other Mustangs.
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