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Old 10-27-2013, 02:31 PM   #51
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the one thing i'd ad to that is that the new Z/28 is a far more extreme performance car than any of it's predecessor's. it looks to be just this side of a race car.
Hence the higher price.
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Old 10-27-2013, 04:54 PM   #52
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You used two cars from the same model year for 1967, so it only makes sense to do the same thing for the 2014 Z/28. I'm not really sure how that doesn't make for a fair, honest, apples to apples comparison. If you don't think it does, well I can't really convince you and I'm not even going to try. Its your opinion, and thats that. And I'm not trying to twist anything, as you said I have no reason to.

But we've taken up a little too much space in this thread with our side-discussion. So lets agree that if a 1966 Corvette with as many go-fast goodies as you could tick off on the order sheet came in at around $5,400 ... the 67 Z/28 was about $3,500 ... the 2013 ZR1 tops out at $122k ... so the 2014 Z/28 would be around 79 grand.
Agree 100% .... the logic either way reveals the new Z/28 to settle in somewhere around the $70++ish K mark. My aim was to compare the Z/28 to the most expensive Vette.... I think a Vette within ONE year doesn't erode the premise. I think we agree on the justification for a moderately high price on the new Z/28. Final words as well. Thanks for listening. I just basically think there IS and the car will prove to be worth every penny! Wish I had some of them to enjoy.... will likely have to settle for the Stingray however! Need to expand garage!
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:53 PM   #53
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I built a '67 Z28 clone to race in SCCA (see sig). The '67 Z28 had about 12 different final drive ratio options, up to 4.88. Transmission ratios in the only available transmission (close-ratio M21) were 2.2, 1.64, 1.28, 1. With the short gear they were very fast in the quarter mile.

Weight is the big thing here. My '67 optioned how you could option the car then (no smog pump, no heater) but with full interior, totally stock engine/bumpers, etc. but 25lb. front seats and a light battery, is 2950lbs. with a full tank (18+ gallons). More like 2850 with enough to get down the 1/4. Those same mods to a new Z28, even one with no A/C, would still have you around ~3675lbs.

The '67 is my dream car, but isn't something I want to drive regularly, so I'm thinking about a new Camaro... can't decide between 1LE, ZL1, Z28. May end up waiting for the new ATS platform car. The same power and wheel/tire widths in something smaller and 3-500 lbs. lighter would be much much better.
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:51 PM   #54
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Very interseting post. The specs are actually more interesting then the pictures.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:18 PM   #55
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Only problem with this photo comparison is they have a 1967 RS Rally Sport; not a Z/28.
It's a real Z/28 (the '67) -- owned by a good friend in Indianapolis -- we borrowed it from him. It was found in a barn - the original owner bought it - didn't realize that the Z/28 was designed for a road course and he wasn't happy with performance at the drag strip - so he put it away and supposedly bought another Camaro...........with a big-block.

The 1967 Camaro Z/28 did not have any ID saying Z/28....that didn't happen until part-way thru the '68 model year....

.(and I say this because I remember our family dealership having a Corvette Bronze Z/28 on the showroom floor for a lonnggggg time -- it had no Z/28 markings on it - even though it should have as Corvette Bronze was a late color that year.....)

Also - no cross-ram from the factory on '67 Z/28. ...in fact, that's the reason that only one Z/28 convertible was built during the 1st gen -- a 1968 in British Green. -- Pete Estes was the General Manager of Chevrolet at the time - he loved convertibles - and if you wanted to ensure that he drove something - you made sure it was installed on a convertible. The car still exists - was sold about three years ago.
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:08 PM   #56
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I don't remember them having any badging on them, but apparently the prototype car introduced at Riverside Raceway in 1966 did in fact have RS badges on it. It must have been an extremely rare option because I don't remember ever seeing one and I lived near Riverside Raceway back then and was out there often watching races. We'd see all kinds of stuff running around on the streets in Pomona and Ontario back in those days. The Z/28 was a sleeper because it (usually) DIDN'T have any badges so people would think it was just the base model with no upgrades. They found out how wrong they were only after the light turned green lol.

Here's a link with some interesting back-story:

http://www.67z28.com/history.htm
It absolutely can have a 302 logo on the extreme right front fender....I saw dozens of them at Yenko in person as a kid. No Z/28 logos until Jan "68. My new 1968 was the first one the dealer saw !!

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Old 11-04-2013, 03:12 PM   #57
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It's a real Z/28 (the '67) -- owned by a good friend in Indianapolis -- we borrowed it from him. It was found in a barn - the original owner bought it - didn't realize that the Z/28 was designed for a road course and he wasn't happy with performance at the drag strip - so he put it away and supposedly bought another Camaro...........with a big-block.

The 1967 Camaro Z/28 did not have any ID saying Z/28....that didn't happen until part-way thru the '68 model year....

.(and I say this because I remember our family dealership having a Corvette Bronze Z/28 on the showroom floor for a lonnggggg time -- it had no Z/28 markings on it - even though it should have as Corvette Bronze was a late color that year.....)

Also - no cross-ram from the factory on '67 Z/28. ...in fact, that's the reason that only one Z/28 convertible was built during the 1st gen -- a 1968 in British Green. -- Pete Estes was the General Manager of Chevrolet at the time - he loved convertibles - and if you wanted to ensure that he drove something - you made sure it was installed on a convertible. The car still exists - was sold about three years ago.
I believe Dana Mecum owns it.
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:33 PM   #58
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1967 Camaro looks better

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Cool! The 67' looks like a little toy in comparison. I've always loved the 1Gen, however now the 5Gen just blows it away (in looks and performance).
I beg to differ about your opinion on which has better looks.
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It's a real Z/28 (the '67) -- It was found in a barn - .
...aww man those barn finds are just the best there is.....it does not get any better than that.
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:05 AM   #60
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It's a real Z/28 (the '67) -- owned by a good friend in Indianapolis -- we borrowed it from him.
Looks like it came out of the Wolfsonian Museum in Indy. Beauty, Andy old buddy!

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I would take the '67 over the 2014 in a heartbeat. The 1st gen Camaros had a style to them that IMO cannot be topped.
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Looks like it came out of the Wolfsonian Museum in Indy. Beauty, Andy old buddy!

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Old 11-14-2013, 09:24 PM   #63
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Think In Reverse…...

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Automobile crunched some numbers and put together a couple of photos between the 2014 Z/28 and the first Z/28, the 1967 Camaro Z/28.


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What would those folks back in 1969 say if you pulled around the corner in the new Z/28 (or ZL1 for that matter?). They would believe something showed up from Area 51. Just sayin!
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...folks in '69 didn't know what Area 51 was then, just sayin'....we had Project Bluebook.
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I would take the '67 over the 2014 in a heartbeat. The 1st gen Camaros had a style to them that IMO cannot be topped.
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I'm just the opposite. I am totally over old cars. Compared to cars of today even the most awesome old car is crude and drives like crap.

More people agree with you than me, though, because the value of the old ones keep going up.
This is exactly why the "Pro-Touring" approach to restoration/modification has developed. New powertrains and more recent chassis and suspension developments under (more or less) the old skins.

There is no question that the new cars are technically better cars than their originals (and by that I don't mean the "high tech" infotainment and other electronic feature stuff at all). But the lines of the older cars have a visually less massive and more graceful appearance. Photoshop that side view picture of the '67 in Post #1 down to where the very point of its hood matches the height of the same point on the new car's hood and this should become even more apparent.


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Old 12-11-2013, 10:42 AM   #66
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I'm sure all the parts justify the cost, but I can't bring myself to pay that kind of money for a Camaro. Which is fine, because my wallet can't justify spending that much on a car regardless of what it's called.
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We did an exercise, awhile ago, where the '69 Vehicle Order Guide was used on an inline-6 Camaro Coupe. NO SS. NO Z/28. NO COPO. Inline-6 Base Coupe. OK?

When you added what features are now standard equipment across the board on all '13 (at that time) Camaros and put them on a '69 6-cylinder Coupe, the '69 price came to $5,800-and-change!!!!!

NO IRS/ABS/TC/CD/radial tires/aluminum wheels/crash protection/electronics/ad nauseum! Those features, if available way-back-when, would have been EXTRA!

BTW, CPI from '69-forward has that $5800+ 6-cylinder = $37,000+!!!

Now add the $4100+ COPO 9560 (ZL1) package (which is pretty damn close to the new Z/28's driveline) and the necessary options to get that package (another $400) and you're now up to $66,000! Still no modern conveniences or Gov't-mandated "necessities".

And, believe it or not, Ripley, that's not far from where the '14 Z/28 will be priced...

We tend to forget how much "stuff" we get with cars today. Unfortunately, it's NOT "free"...and NEVER was.
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