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Old 10-13-2013, 09:27 PM   #26
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I have seen a few running around. A lot of people give them great reviews as a fun, cheap coupe. Most of the reviews I have read indicate with a SC or TC and brake upgrade, they could give an SS and run for its money...
Finally, someone that can see the forest for the trees.

Yeah, this car wasn't designed to be a quarter mile monster, it was designed to be fun to drive.

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Lol! Crap!the scion is nothing more than an updated Celica.
This coming from someone who owns a V6.

The car was designed from scratch from the ground up. It has nothing in common with the Celica.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:44 PM   #27
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Celica? What part? Lol Those cars were made to revive the "import tuner" scene.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:00 AM   #28
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Celica? What part? Lol Those cars were made to revive the "import tuner" scene.
Obviously he is referring to the fact that it has four wheels and an enclosed cockpit.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:07 AM   #29
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Lol! Crap!the scion is nothing more than an updated Celica.
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One of the guys at work just got an FR-S. I can see the attraction to it. I would not be comfortable in it for more than a short jaunt. He loves the car but complains that it needs more power (needs Turbo or S/C) but like the suspension. He also feels that it needs more tire and the wheels (IMHO) aren't exactly great looking.

He did comment that it was the only car he could afford (he's much younger on the job than me so he makes less $$$) that garnered attention like a Camaro or a Porsche. His words not mine.

Personally I'm not a fan of imports but I can see how fun they potentially are. Just looking at the Subaru and Scion site I think the Subie looks better.

With the Subie lineage it needs Turbo and AWD... just my thoughts.
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Old 10-18-2013, 04:44 PM   #31
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I have to admit the frs is fun to drive. They are great in turns and like said above they are fun cars. Would love to drive one of those Crawford turbo ones. Bet that car is crazy with 450HP.
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:53 AM   #32
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i think the better question is why is toyota not suing Subaru for Copy/Paste
Looks like you missed the boat on this one. They joined in the productions of these cars no suing required.Look at this modded one, looks like it beat the ZL-1 time but not what I expected ,
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:15 PM   #33
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a buddy at work has one. he talks it up like its better than a camaro , better performance etc...and while i read that its fun...that is simply not true...maybe some day i will take him for a ride in my car MUHAHAHAHA
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The S2000 is better in every aspect. IMO this car is overrated. If they come out with a STI model with 300hp, then they are talking.
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Just to see how everyone reacts..

As much of a 'lower' tier car like everyone is calling it, it was rated above both a GT500 and a ZL1 in the lightning lap that MT did last year.

Curious if anyone puts much weight into that considering it was slower in every way. And if they don't put weight into it, do they put weight into magazines picking the ZL1 over the GT500 even though it was slower in most of the comparisons.

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Old 10-22-2013, 05:32 AM   #36
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Just to see how everyone reacts..

As much of a 'lower' tier car like everyone is calling it, it was rated above both a GT500 and a ZL1 in the lightning lap that MT did last year.

Curious if anyone puts much weight into that considering it was slower in every way. And if they don't put weight into it, do they put weight into magazines picking the ZL1 over the GT500 even though it was slower in most of the comparisons.

*Yes, I'm well aware that's a loaded question lol*

Your poking the beast here...lol

I think bumping the power/tq to 350 and all the supporting mods (suspension, brakes, tranny etc) would make one hell of an impressive "lower" tier car. 450 seems to push this car beyond the limits of a DD or track car.

Yes, I am one of those who believe that there is more to a car than just a fast 1/4 mile.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:14 PM   #37
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riding A Pocket Bike Is Fun, But If You Actually Want Performance Than YouNeed A Bigger Sport Bike. I Don't Believe It Should've Ranked Higher Than Both Those Cars...They Are Not Even Close In Performance. At Least The Zl1 Is Close To The Cobra.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:06 PM   #38
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:39 PM   #39
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Just to see how everyone reacts..

As much of a 'lower' tier car like everyone is calling it, it was rated above both a GT500 and a ZL1 in the lightning lap that MT did last year.

Curious if anyone puts much weight into that considering it was slower in every way. And if they don't put weight into it, do they put weight into magazines picking the ZL1 over the GT500 even though it was slower in most of the comparisons.

*Yes, I'm well aware that's a loaded question lol*
In Car and Driver's 2013 Lightning Lap the Brz was 17 seconds slower than the SS camaro and 21 seconds slower than the ZL1.

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Old 10-24-2013, 09:49 PM   #40
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The Frs is around 2700lbs. That is what makes it feel quicker than it is. They are fun in there own way. However, weak exhaust note, 151lbs of torque, etc. The experience is so different it is tough to compare them.
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:54 AM   #41
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IIRC, someone has already successfully put an LS motor into one of these and it only added like 60lbs or something like that. Now that would be omazing.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:16 AM   #42
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In Car and Driver's 2013 Lightning Lap the Brz was 17 seconds slower than the SS camaro and 21 seconds slower than the ZL1.

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Uhh...yes, which would be why I said even though the car was slower in every way, they still ranked it higher than the GT500/ZL1.

I'd like the chance to drive one, preferably the BRZ, I don't care for the overall appearance of the FRS.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:28 PM   #43
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IIRC, someone has already successfully put an LS motor into one of these and it only added like 60lbs or something like that. Now that would be omazing.
yeah, look up LS2 BRZ. 450+ HP in a sub 3000lb car. Have your cake and eat it too. The BRZ/FRS is a great looking and cornering drivers car but it has a gutless motor. A V6 Mustang will beat it on any dragstrip or road course for crying out loud. Why they didn't put the WRX motor in the car I have no idea.
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:46 PM   #44
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i think the better question is why is toyota not suing Subaru for Copy/Paste
Because they were built in conjunction. And FYI, it would be the other way around. The engine is a Subaru Boxer in both cars.
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:21 AM   #45
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Because they were built in conjunction. And FYI, it would be the other way around. The engine is a Subaru Boxer in both cars.
IIRC, both cars are also built in Subaru's plant as well. The car is arguably more Subaru than it is Toyota.

Toyota owns a part of Subaru. Toyota went to Subaru and told them to make a small sports car happen, and they did.
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I would say yes it's competition for the V6, a completely different class from the SS.
I test drove the BRZ. Nice car for what it is, but definitely not competition for even the V6.

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Old 11-05-2013, 01:31 PM   #47
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With the Subie lineage it needs Turbo and AWD... just my thoughts.

Subaru's weren't strickly AWD until around 1996 (although I think this is their first factory RWD) and same with the turbos, and you have always been able to get non-turbo Subbies. It would be nice to see them release a turbo version. Even a bump to about 275HP would make for a killer little car.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:57 PM   #48
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I traded my 2010 2LT/RS for a BRZ. The handling difference is night and day. The 86/FR-S/BRZ isn't a "straight line" fast car, it's a driver's car.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:20 AM   #49
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Lol I'd rather have my FRS than a V6 Camaro. It's almost as much fun as the SS at times.
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