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Old 10-21-2013, 09:13 PM   #35
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Just to see how everyone reacts..

As much of a 'lower' tier car like everyone is calling it, it was rated above both a GT500 and a ZL1 in the lightning lap that MT did last year.

Curious if anyone puts much weight into that considering it was slower in every way. And if they don't put weight into it, do they put weight into magazines picking the ZL1 over the GT500 even though it was slower in most of the comparisons.

*Yes, I'm well aware that's a loaded question lol*
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:32 AM   #36
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Just to see how everyone reacts..

As much of a 'lower' tier car like everyone is calling it, it was rated above both a GT500 and a ZL1 in the lightning lap that MT did last year.

Curious if anyone puts much weight into that considering it was slower in every way. And if they don't put weight into it, do they put weight into magazines picking the ZL1 over the GT500 even though it was slower in most of the comparisons.

*Yes, I'm well aware that's a loaded question lol*

Your poking the beast here...lol

I think bumping the power/tq to 350 and all the supporting mods (suspension, brakes, tranny etc) would make one hell of an impressive "lower" tier car. 450 seems to push this car beyond the limits of a DD or track car.

Yes, I am one of those who believe that there is more to a car than just a fast 1/4 mile.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:14 PM   #37
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riding A Pocket Bike Is Fun, But If You Actually Want Performance Than YouNeed A Bigger Sport Bike. I Don't Believe It Should've Ranked Higher Than Both Those Cars...They Are Not Even Close In Performance. At Least The Zl1 Is Close To The Cobra.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:06 PM   #38
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:39 PM   #39
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Just to see how everyone reacts..

As much of a 'lower' tier car like everyone is calling it, it was rated above both a GT500 and a ZL1 in the lightning lap that MT did last year.

Curious if anyone puts much weight into that considering it was slower in every way. And if they don't put weight into it, do they put weight into magazines picking the ZL1 over the GT500 even though it was slower in most of the comparisons.

*Yes, I'm well aware that's a loaded question lol*
In Car and Driver's 2013 Lightning Lap the Brz was 17 seconds slower than the SS camaro and 21 seconds slower than the ZL1.

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Old 10-24-2013, 09:49 PM   #40
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The Frs is around 2700lbs. That is what makes it feel quicker than it is. They are fun in there own way. However, weak exhaust note, 151lbs of torque, etc. The experience is so different it is tough to compare them.
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:54 AM   #41
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IIRC, someone has already successfully put an LS motor into one of these and it only added like 60lbs or something like that. Now that would be omazing.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:16 AM   #42
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In Car and Driver's 2013 Lightning Lap the Brz was 17 seconds slower than the SS camaro and 21 seconds slower than the ZL1.

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Uhh...yes, which would be why I said even though the car was slower in every way, they still ranked it higher than the GT500/ZL1.

I'd like the chance to drive one, preferably the BRZ, I don't care for the overall appearance of the FRS.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:28 PM   #43
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IIRC, someone has already successfully put an LS motor into one of these and it only added like 60lbs or something like that. Now that would be omazing.
yeah, look up LS2 BRZ. 450+ HP in a sub 3000lb car. Have your cake and eat it too. The BRZ/FRS is a great looking and cornering drivers car but it has a gutless motor. A V6 Mustang will beat it on any dragstrip or road course for crying out loud. Why they didn't put the WRX motor in the car I have no idea.
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:46 PM   #44
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i think the better question is why is toyota not suing Subaru for Copy/Paste
Because they were built in conjunction. And FYI, it would be the other way around. The engine is a Subaru Boxer in both cars.
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:21 AM   #45
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Because they were built in conjunction. And FYI, it would be the other way around. The engine is a Subaru Boxer in both cars.
IIRC, both cars are also built in Subaru's plant as well. The car is arguably more Subaru than it is Toyota.

Toyota owns a part of Subaru. Toyota went to Subaru and told them to make a small sports car happen, and they did.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:14 AM   #46
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I would say yes it's competition for the V6, a completely different class from the SS.
I test drove the BRZ. Nice car for what it is, but definitely not competition for even the V6.

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Old 11-05-2013, 01:31 PM   #47
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With the Subie lineage it needs Turbo and AWD... just my thoughts.

Subaru's weren't strickly AWD until around 1996 (although I think this is their first factory RWD) and same with the turbos, and you have always been able to get non-turbo Subbies. It would be nice to see them release a turbo version. Even a bump to about 275HP would make for a killer little car.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:57 PM   #48
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I traded my 2010 2LT/RS for a BRZ. The handling difference is night and day. The 86/FR-S/BRZ isn't a "straight line" fast car, it's a driver's car.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:20 AM   #49
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:47 PM   #50
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Lol I'd rather have my FRS than a V6 Camaro. It's almost as much fun as the SS at times.
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:22 PM   #51
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I had a FRS before I got my 1LE. Nice handling car with a great feel to it. That being said it was lacking power and especially torque. I have no regrets getting rid of it. I never had any issues with mine but a bunch of the early adopters did. It'd be a truly great car with about 150 more HP.

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