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Old 08-14-2013, 05:58 PM   #151
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One thing to keep in mind is the cab noise with an exhaust like these. This is my camaro, and it's loud, but I can't go without hearing that rumble.
Absolutely. You will definitely hear more inside the cabin when you swap to long tube headers. The thin wall tubing that the headers use do not insulate sound the way that the heavy cast stock manifold do.

Your car sounds great by the way!
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:27 AM   #152
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To give a full answer I really need to know more about your car and how you use it. In a broad stroke, they both are an outstanding set of headers and priced pretty much identically. Peak gains are probably going to be similar but Pfadt Tri-Ys have the advantage most of the time in the mid-range.
And in general, if you have more TQ through the midrange with similar peak numbers, your car will be faster. HP is TQ multiplied by RPM. More TQ across the RPM range is the ultimate goal, it means more average power, which means your car will accelerate faster than the other guys
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Old 08-19-2013, 02:57 PM   #153
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And in general, if you have more TQ through the midrange with similar peak numbers, your car will be faster. HP is TQ multiplied by RPM. More TQ across the RPM range is the ultimate goal, it means more average power, which means your car will accelerate faster than the other guys
Very true.
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Old 08-20-2013, 02:48 AM   #154
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Absolutely. You will definitely hear more inside the cabin when you swap to long tube headers. The thin wall tubing that the headers use do not insulate sound the way that the heavy cast stock manifold do.

Your car sounds great by the way!
Even with CAI, cruising the Interstate with the Pfadt headers/high flow cats/factory cat back, it's very quiet in the cabin. Get into it, and the sound is what a muscle car should sound like.

Some headers look like crap after they've been driven a bit; I like the "gold" color of the Pfadts;

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Old 08-20-2013, 03:24 AM   #155
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This set of headers includes the cats also. Are they the high flow cats? It doesn't say in the description really but it looks like a good deal.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:41 AM   #156
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This set of headers includes the cats also. Are they the high flow cats? It doesn't say in the description really but it looks like a good deal.
They do not include the cats. It is only the headers. The cats are shown in the photo but not included. If you scroll down to the "Suggested Parts" tab you will see optional mid pipes and high flow cats. Apex is a Kooks distributor so there is no one in a position to offer a deal that we can't at least match if not beat. Shop around and then bring what you find to me.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:29 AM   #157
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"Works of automotive art. I would almost rather hang them on the wall." C5 member Pharmaro's response when he laid eyes on his new Pfadt headers.

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Old 10-16-2013, 12:50 PM   #158
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Even with CAI, cruising the Interstate with the Pfadt headers/high flow cats/factory cat back, it's very quiet in the cabin. Get into it, and the sound is what a muscle car should sound like.

Some headers look like crap after they've been driven a bit; I like the "gold" color of the Pfadts;

I am with you. I like the coloration bare stainless steel headers take on.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:46 AM   #159
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Jeff_SS just installed a set of Kooks 1 7/8 headers and high flow cats from Apex Motorsports along with the factory NPP exhaust on his 2013 SS. This thing sounds awesome!

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Old 10-29-2013, 02:54 PM   #160
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Chase, I love this thread. I have a bone stock 2010 SS and I plan to do that CAI first and then some header and exhaust.

Kooks sponsors our car club (5th Generation Camaros of the Carolinas) so I am happy to see all the positive comments about their products. I like them also.

However, can you explain the cost differential? They seem to be about 3-400 more than the other comparable headers.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:50 PM   #161
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Chase, I love this thread. I have a bone stock 2010 SS and I plan to do that CAI first and then some header and exhaust.

Kooks sponsors our car club (5th Generation Camaros of the Carolinas) so I am happy to see all the positive comments about their products. I like them also.

However, can you explain the cost differential? They seem to be about 3-400 more than the other comparable headers.
Well, Kooks is made in the US using materials sourced in the US. That means higher costs than a company that is sourcing material or labor from overseas. That beings said, they are not the only company doing those things. Each company sets their own pricing/margins so contacting Kooks directly would probably be your best bet but, I wouldn't expect much of a direct answer.
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Great to see all the happy Pfadt Family out there. Thanks Chase for being such an informative expert on here.
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Hey Pfadt, Can you help out a fellow SS owner with a wife and child who's poor? LOL
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I have a question Chase. I started a forum on headers, but didn't get to many responses, so I was wondering, I want to get some Borla LT headers to match my Borla ATAK, about how much gains will I get? Also, are these a good set of headers? I was also looking at NoWeeds for an even louder sound, apparently these would be louder because they are open headers, and also you can shut them off when need be, but I heard they barely add any power if any. I'm just curious because I want my car to be loud and also have some power gains.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:48 PM   #165
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I have a question Chase. I started a forum on headers, but didn't get to many responses, so I was wondering, I want to get some Borla LT headers to match my Borla ATAK, about how much gains will I get? Also, are these a good set of headers? I was also looking at NoWeeds for an even louder sound, apparently these would be louder because they are open headers, and also you can shut them off when need be, but I heard they barely add any power if any. I'm just curious because I want my car to be loud and also have some power gains.
Borla makes great exhaust systems but you can get much better headers for the money. Stainless Works, Kooks, Pfadt, and ARH are all in the same neighborhood price wise and produce better gains. They also include everything you need where as the Borla do not. We carry Borla along with all the other brands mentioned so this isn't a case of a vendor trying to sell you on what he carries. This is honest info.

The NoWeeds will only be a sound mod. You are not going to see any noticeable amount of extra power. I would at least wait until you had the headers installed to see how that sounds. You may decide you do not have any need for it to ever be louder than that.
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Borla makes great exhaust systems but you can get much better headers for the money. Stainless Works, Kooks, Pfadt, and ARH are all in the same neighborhood price wise and produce better gains. They also include everything you need where as the Borla do not. We carry Borla along with all the other brands mentioned so this isn't a case of a vendor trying to sell you on what he carries. This is honest info.

The NoWeeds will only be a sound mod. You are not going to see any noticeable amount of extra power. I would at least wait until you had the headers installed to see how that sounds. You may decide you do not have any need for it to ever be louder than that.
I'm looking at all these different kinds of headers, and they are $400-500+ more than Borla. And thanks, that makes sense about waiting for NoWeeds
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What would you say are more power adding headers for around the same price as Borla?($800-900)
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Old 11-03-2013, 04:32 PM   #168
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I'm looking at all these different kinds of headers, and they are $400-500+ more than Borla. And thanks, that makes sense about waiting for NoWeeds
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What would you say are more power adding headers for around the same price as Borla?($800-900)
The Borla headers are about $900 but you have to keep in mind that they only include the headers. Most of the other brands I mentioned are about the same price for headers only. If you add high flow cats then they are $400-500 more.

Borla headers are 1 3/4 inch headers where most others are 1 7/8. If you look at the opening post of this thread you can see what kind of difference that makes. If you want something in the $900 range that will make more power than Borla, check out Stainless Power. They are 1 7/8 header with high flow cats for under $900 plus we have them on sale right now.
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The Borla headers are about $900 but you have to keep in mind that they only include the headers. Most of the other brands I mentioned are about the same price for headers only. If you add high flow cats then they are $400-500 more.

Borla headers are 1 3/4 inch headers where most others are 1 7/8. If you look at the opening post of this thread you can see what kind of difference that makes. If you want something in the $900 range that will make more power than Borla, check out Stainless Power. They are 1 7/8 header with high flow cats for under $900 plus we have them on sale right now.
I find it funny that before I read this post, I was going to ask you about Stainless Power. I'll be ordering some within the next month, Sorry for all these questions, but I've never had someone answer me on these things lol. What is the difference between them with cats and with off road pipes?

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Old 11-06-2013, 10:26 AM   #170
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What is different about them? I have a customer looking for long tubes and a cutout so I want to steer them in the right direction. Thanks for any info you can provide!
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I find it funny that before I read this post, I was going to ask you about Stainless Power. I'll be ordering some within the next month, Sorry for all these questions, but I've never had someone answer me on these things lol. What is the difference between them with cats and with off road pipes?
No worries, that is what I am here for. Never hesitate to hit me up with questions. High flow cats are exactly what the name suggests. They replace your stock cats and flow better. Off road pipes are also sometimes referred to as cat deletes. They completely eliminate the cats.

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What is different about them? I have a customer looking for long tubes and a cutout so I want to steer them in the right direction. Thanks for any info you can provide!
SLP headers are 409 SS but their pricing is in line with what you would expect to pay for a set of 304 SS headers. They are also only available in 1 3/4 primaries so you will be leaving some power on the table versus what you would see with 1 7/8 or 2 inch header.
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Chase you have any videos of cammed, LT cars with different exhausts? I'm thinking I may need something instead of my Magnaflow muffler delete.
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Chase you have any videos of cammed, LT cars with different exhausts? I'm thinking I may need something instead of my Magnaflow muffler delete.
Afraid not. A Retro Chambered cat back would sound like a beast though.
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No worries, that is what I am here for. Never hesitate to hit me up with questions. High flow cats are exactly what the name suggests. They replace your stock cats and flow better. Off road pipes are also sometimes referred to as cat deletes. They completely eliminate the cats.
So I'm sure there is a difference in sound between the two, what about power? And also are off-road pipes and just the headers themselves the same thing?
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So I'm sure there is a difference in sound between the two, what about power? And also are off-road pipes and just the headers themselves the same thing?
High flow cats sound a little deeper and off road pipes are a little raspier. In terms of power they are practically identical. Modern high flow cats flow 99% as well as straight pipe. They bolt on after the headers and connect to your cat back.

This is just the headers.



These are off road pipe/cats deletes.



And these are high flow cats.

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