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Old 11-10-2013, 11:57 PM   #1
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Today's Project: Brembo upgrade

It was a long fun day.

Here are some pics.

A few notes:

1) I used the bill of materials (BOM - aka parts list) for the GMPP V6 to Brembo upgrade kit. I bought all of those parts with the exception of the lines, brake pads and rotors. I also rebuilt the calipers (pistons, seals, dust boots, cross over tubes and bleeder valves).

2) The upgrade parts included 32mm axle nuts (for swapping in the SS rear dust shields). The existing nuts on my 2LT were 36mm . Trip to Autozone required for additional socket.

3) The GM supplied smaller front caliper replacement dust boots for the SS Brembos didn't fit the smaller pistons. Luckily I kept the old dust boots.

4) The Motive air pressure bleeder was very useful. It saved a lot of time. I added some pressure fittings so I didn't have to fill it's reservoir with brake fluid. This makes clean-up much easier also.

5) Clean the knuckle surface of any old Loctite or debris. Also make sure the caliper mounting surface is clean and smooth as well.

6) The replacement caliper bolts come with an excessive amount of red Loctite. Clean some of it out of the threads before installing.

Items 5 & 6 are important otherwise the caliper may be out of alignment when you tighten the bolts per spec.

Special thanks to:

a) Sean Higdon (Dr. Wrench) for taking a good portion of his Sunday using his ASE mechanic skills to make this much easier
b) All the brake contributors on Camaro5. I learned a lot from you. (Justice Pete - thanks for the Castrol SRF recommendation)
c) Mike the Powder Coater for the awesome job (and for putting up with me)!
d) Sleez for supplying many of the parts
e) GoodRidge for making their stainless lines so easy to install
f) Hawk for great stopping, quiet pads (HPS)
g) DBA for very nice rotors (4000 series). L & R markings were very useful!
h) Racing brake for supplying replacement cross over tubes and bleeder valves.
i) Maureen at Rodgers Chevrolet for supplying so many required parts!

I highly recommend this mod!
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:07 AM   #2
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good job, they look great, and i am sure they perform just as well.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:25 AM   #3
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I'm a little jealous! I have to do this mod soon!
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:41 AM   #4
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Those look great man. Those brakes are more than enough for DD of these cars especially a V6.

I upgraded my 1LE to CTS-V/ZL1 brakes only because I plan to track my car in '14.

Also my stock 1LE red Brembos are available if anyone is interested.

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Old 11-11-2013, 10:46 AM   #5
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The V6 brakes are also way more than you'd ever need in a DD. I'm upgrading to the Brembo's because I also plan on tracking my car in 2014.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:20 AM   #6
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The V6 brakes are also way more than you'd ever need in a DD. I'm upgrading to the Brembo's because I also plan on tracking my car in 2014.
Hell yeah! That is what these cars are for.

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Old 11-11-2013, 11:22 AM   #7
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Hell yeah! That is what these cars are for.

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Haha. My old boss has a Porsche 944 track rat. He got me interested in it.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:26 AM   #8
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I would NOT discount the V6 brakes for being able to stop the car. They do that admirably. Although a couple of times they gave me some concern.

My initial impressions of this Brembo setup is that the stopping is smoother and more predictable than the V6 brakes. It's not like you tap the pedal and the car immediately stops with your eyeballs ready to leave their sockets.
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:43 PM   #9
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The difference between the V6 and the SS brakes aside from stopping right now is doing it repeatedly without fade or failure.

I upgraded the 1LE brakes to the ZL1 because I notoriously go hard into corners and I'm planning on adding at least 100 RWHP let's be honest they look spectacular.

As a DD the V6 brakes are more than adequate.

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Old 11-11-2013, 03:15 PM   #10
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The difference between the V6 and the SS brakes aside from stopping right now is doing it repeatedly without fade or failure.
The fade/failure issue was very important to me as I live in very hilly area. It's on these hills where I have had some concern in the past.

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let's be honest they look spectacular.
Agreed x10. Thanks to Mike the Powder coater and DBA!
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:47 PM   #11
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Looks good! Congrats on the upgrade!

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Old 11-11-2013, 07:33 PM   #12
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Awesome! While the base brakes are perfectly fine for a DD, they don't look nearly as nice!
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:32 AM   #13
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So since the V6 stock brakes stop the V6 just as quickly as the Brembos do the V8's, how much of a difference have you noticed with the Brembos on the V6? (Also, your setup looks nice)
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Old 11-12-2013, 06:51 AM   #14
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those rotors look really nice. Nice work!
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:42 PM   #15
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So since the V6 stock brakes stop the V6 just as quickly as the Brembos do the V8's, how much of a difference have you noticed with the Brembos on the V6? (Also, your setup looks nice)
Thanks for the kind words.

At this point, I think it fair to say my new brake setup provides a more consistent and smooth stop. I had issues with the stock v6 brakes not being consistent on my neighborhood downhill roads (pretty steep).

My track friends tell me this setup will also not fade (lose stopping power) as much after repeated hard stops.

I'm planning on taking the car to the dealer this week to have them use their computerized tool (Tech II?) to force flush the ABS reservoir and perform a final bleed. After that I expect the stopping power to improve as well. The reason I say this is I have test driven an SS. It seemed to stop better for me than my stock 2LT.

I'll report back soon.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:52 PM   #16
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Thanks for the kind words.

At this point, I think it fair to say my new brake setup provides a more consistent and smooth stop. I had issues with the stock v6 brakes not being consistent on my neighborhood downhill roads (pretty steep).

My track friends tell me this setup will also not fade (lose stopping power) as much after repeated hard stops.

I'm planning on taking the car to the dealer this week to have them use their computerized tool (Tech II?) to force flush the ABS reservoir and perform a final bleed. After that I expect the stopping power to improve as well. The reason I say this is I have test driven an SS. I seemed to stop better for me than my stock 2LT.

I'll report back soon.
Not trying to take away from your awesome work with the new brakes, but it sounds like there was something wrong with your stock brakes. They definitely shouldn't be showing any inconsistency issues going down a hill. I've definitely done a bunch of 100-0 stops in my car, and the V6 brakes hold up admirably. It's true they will fade eventually, but these brakes are still really hefty. It should take some pretty heavy track use to show issues, and even then, most guys I talked to were able to go out for a couple of laps before brake fade became an issue. 12" rotors are nothing to sneeze at.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:00 PM   #17
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Not trying to take away from your awesome work with the new brakes, but it sounds like there was something wrong with your stock brakes. They definitely shouldn't be showing any inconsistency issues going down a hill. I've definitely done a bunch of 100-0 stops in my car, and the V6 brakes hold up admirably. It's true they will fade eventually, but these brakes are still really hefty. It should take some pretty heavy track use to show issues, and even then, most guys I talked to were able to go out for a couple of laps before brake fade became an issue. 12" rotors are nothing to sneeze at.
To your main point, I thought the same thing. I took them to the dealer. They ran a diagnostic and said everything was fine. So I figured I must need better brakes for my stopping tastes.

I agree the v6 calipers are hefty. The fronts feel much heavier than the Brembo fronts. After I clean them up, I'm thinking of adding them to my workout circuit as dumb bells.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:02 PM   #18
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Heads up: you can sell the V6 calipers for money on these forums. The SS drag racing guys use them to mount smaller lighter tires.

Well, I'm glad you are happy with your new mod! Doesn't forget to upgrade your signature too!
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:28 PM   #19
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I just want to change my front brembos...I still have to bleed my rears right? Also does it matter what position my brake pedal is in when i do this? Thanks
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:50 PM   #20
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I just want to change my front brembos...I still have to bleed my rears right? Also does it matter what position my brake pedal is in when i do this? Thanks
I learned from conservative mechanics a long time ago. So I was taught any time you crack the brake hydraulics open, you bleed them all. With modern cars and their ABS systems that may not be necessary, but why not be safe? Plus you are supposed to change your brake fluid every year or so anyway.

If you are talking about the two person manual bleed procedure, the person in the car maintains pressure on the pedal (don't go to the floor though) while the person in the back opens and eventually closes the bleeder screw. DO NOT let up on the pedal while the bleeder screw is open. That is how you get air into the system.

I used the Motive pressure bleeder for my install. It is very cool in that you can do almost all of the bleed with one person. I like to finish up with the two person approach though as the pedal is the real way the brakes are applied while driving.
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:02 PM   #21
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I got the car back from the dealer today.

They did the tech II computer forced cycling of the ABS to drain/refill the reservoir with the new DOT 4 fluid. They also did one hell of a bleed job. Now the brakes start much sooner on the pedal depression.

These Brembos with the Hawk HPS pads stop so nice with the DBA rotors and Goodridge lines. And they are silent! Maybe that's the Permatex brake lubricant???

I wish I had done this mod much sooner. Highly recommended!
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What kind of brake fluid are you using? Also where did you find the best price for the goodridge lines and also the pads?
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:21 AM   #23
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This is on my list eventually! Nice write-up, you actually answered a lot of my questions about the swap performance. I think I'm having some trouble with at least one of them not disengaging fully. I need to do a tear-down and check them out. My rotors also have some deep scoring... Need the upgrade soon!

And they look really nice!

And what exactly is "BOM for the GMPP V6 to Brembo upgrade kit"?
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:07 PM   #24
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What kind of brake fluid are you using? Also where did you find the best price for the goodridge lines and also the pads?
Castrol SRF. I found the best price for it on Amazon

I bought the lines and pads from Camaro5 member Sleez for a very good price. I believe he originally bought them from Maryland Speed during one of their sales.

I can recommend Apex. They have taken care of me in the past. I also hear good things about JDP.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:09 PM   #25
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And they look really nice.

And what exactly is "BOM for the GMPP V6 to Brembo upgrade kit"?
Thanks.

Bill of Materials (BOM). I updated the original post.
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