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Old 11-18-2013, 11:19 PM   #18
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The Goodyear tires on the ZL1 and 1LE are unique, and don't act like the Pirelli tires much at all. In short: they are phenomenal in the warm weather and simply mind-blowing on the track....but they absolutely hate cold weather. 40º and below: forget it. It's like trying to drive with tupperware lids bolted to the axles...
This makes me wonder what you're supposed to do if you take a weekend drive up to the mountains or something and it's a bit nippy outside? Do you get winter tires and put them on if there's a chance you'll see colder weather? Or is there a bit of hyperbole in this (and GM's) statement and it's fine for driving around as long as you're not trying to break records at the drag strip?
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:56 PM   #19
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You get different tires if you need to drive below 40F, and its not just about the fact that the tires shouldnt be driven below 40F, but I guess some people didnt read my first post so ill say it again..

THESE TIRES CANNOT BE EXPOSED TO BELOW 20F

The tires can start to crack when they are exposed to those temperatures, and guess what the projected low in Oshawa is for Sunday? 23F and its not even December yet.
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Old 11-19-2013, 01:03 AM   #20
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I love enjoying my Camaro every single day regardless of rain, snow, sleet, or sun. I don't understand why people put the car away unless they really don't feel safe driving in snow.
because i want to keep it around and they put a mixture of salt and ash on the roads that will eat a car like this befor its payed off. And I hate to see it covered with crap. Plus I have a 4x4 to drive in the winter. Once you have a 4x4 with 4 studded snow tires you will never want to drive a car in the snow again.
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:36 AM   #21
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Of all the threads that get moved this one is a prime candidate. If it were in just the ZL1 and 1LE sections maybe so many heads wouldn't explode, lol.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:17 AM   #22
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hence, when i bought my car, i didnt want the RS package and summer only tires. i got a non rs with 19 inch all season tires. some tires are just made for certain types of driving and GM dont expect folks with ZL1 cars to be plowing down detroit snow.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:23 AM   #23
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hence why I bought a 1LE, these tires make this car what it is, and I have no problems having it sit in my warm garage and NEVER seeing snow (salt/mag chloride etc).

Here is a long post on all this as well:
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:46 AM   #24
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If you're not ordering a 1LE or ZL1, don't worry about it, it does not affect you. It certainly isn't affecting me. I got mine.

Doesn't matter if YOU can drive year round. The cars don't sit in climate controlled comfort in Oshawa. They're OUTSIDE...and in Oshawa, if you haven't got the memo yet...gets COLD. So cold it can affect the tire situation.

GM is not going to play musical chairs with tires. If you don't like it, then wait until spring and put in your order. You can probably place an order with your dealer now and in February, they'll make yours.

It's out of your hands, and if you think you can change it, don't. Because you can't. The word has come down from the mountain. Get over it, get on with life. Go find a cure for cancer or something. It's a higher priority than ZL1/1LE orders.

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Old 11-19-2013, 11:56 AM   #25
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This makes me wonder what you're supposed to do if you take a weekend drive up to the mountains or something and it's a bit nippy outside? Do you get winter tires and put them on if there's a chance you'll see colder weather? Or is there a bit of hyperbole in this (and GM's) statement and it's fine for driving around as long as you're not trying to break records at the drag strip?
I've driven on the tires in every non-damaging condition imaginable (see: above 30º)...If the temperature falls below 45º...traction is SEVERELY compromised...just a little too much throttle and the car slides around. BUT!! If you're careful and knowledgable - you can drive the car. The concern becomes "what if you need to perform an emergency maneuver?"

....so, take that for what you will.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:26 PM   #26
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hence, when i bought my car, i didnt want the RS package and summer only tires. i got a non rs with 19 inch all season tires. some tires are just made for certain types of driving and GM dont expect folks with ZL1 cars to be plowing down detroit snow.
The summer tires on the rs and ss package cars is not effected by this bulletin there is no set minimum storage temp for the 20" pirellis so they can be shipped year round your all seasons might allow you to drive a little bit safer between 40 and 20 but in the end they are not snow tires, and they do get harder sooner than a dedicated winter tire would/
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Old 11-19-2013, 01:13 PM   #27
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if i remember right last year they where holding them because the tires where cracking due to the cold weather before they shipped.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:04 PM   #28
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GM is not going to play musical chairs with tires.
Actually,they do play musical chairs with tires.We get trucks in all the time with transport tires on them and the wheels and tires that they were ordered with,come via freight truck.

If GM wanted to ship those units,they could.They just don't want too.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:41 PM   #29
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So does that mean that those of us that have these tires on our cars need to store the tires in warmer conditions? In my case, my car is kept in a barn under a car cover, but the barn is not weather proof or insulated. It does however have a cement floor. Should I remove my wheels for winter and store them in my house? Thoughts?
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:53 PM   #30
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TO: Goodyear Contract Dealers, Goodyear Canada Inc. Dealers, Goodyear Company Owned Stores

Subject: Eagle F1 Supercar G:2 Summer Tires Not Recommended for Winter Use

Goodyear F1 Supercar G:2’s are D.O.T. approved ultra high performance summer tires with track capability. The rubber used in these tires loses flexibility and may develop surface cracks in the tire tread/shoulder area at colder temperatures. Goodyear does not recommend using these high performance summer tires when temperatures drop to approximately 40 deg F (5 deg C) or below, or in snow/ice conditions.


Tire Storage
Follow the general tire storage recommendations in Product Service Bulletin 2010-21, Proper Procedures for the Storage of Tires. Further, it is recommended for these tires to be stored indoors at temperatures above 20 deg F (-7 deg C) when not in use. If the tires have been subject to 20 deg F (-7 deg C) or less, let them warm up in a heated space to at least 40 deg F for 24 hours or more before installation or driving the vehicle. Inflate the tires only after they have been warmed above 40 deg F (5 deg C). Do not place tires near heaters or heating devices used to warm the room where the tires are stored. Do not apply heat or blow heated air directly on the tires. Always inspect tires before use after storage periods as outlined in the Proper Procedures for the Storage of Tires bulletin.

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Old 11-19-2013, 09:00 PM   #31
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If you're not ordering a 1LE or ZL1, don't worry about it, it does not affect you. It certainly isn't affecting me. I got mine.

Doesn't matter if YOU can drive year round. The cars don't sit in climate controlled comfort in Oshawa. They're OUTSIDE...and in Oshawa, if you haven't got the memo yet...gets COLD. So cold it can affect the tire situation.

GM is not going to play musical chairs with tires. If you don't like it, then wait until spring and put in your order. You can probably place an order with your dealer now and in February, they'll make yours.

It's out of your hands, and if you think you can change it, don't. Because you can't. The word has come down from the mountain. Get over it, get on with life. Go find a cure for cancer or something. It's a higher priority than ZL1/1LE orders.
You make sense!
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:01 PM   #32
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Wow those tires sound like a PITA. If I owned a car that used them I would definitely have a set of "Cold Weather Tires" to put on.
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:18 PM   #33
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From the way that bulletin reads you can store the tires below 20 degrees, but you have to understand that they are going to be brittle. If you do anything that stresses the rubber; drive, inflate, etc., you run risk of cracking the tires. You must let them slowly warm up through and through before driving again.

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Old 11-19-2013, 11:33 PM   #34
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Remember this is still a business, lots of cars on lots maybe create a sense of urgency now, stack up orders till spring and bang out a bunch of them. With the amount of money spent developing these cars I find it hard to believe they couldn't deliver to warm climates. People get fired for much less every day, missing 1/4 of the production is a smoke screen NOT created by tires.

Really GM... tires???
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