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Old 12-02-2013, 04:44 PM   #126
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No, my GT500 has not hit 10"s yet. It is 100% stock right now, and other than bolting on drag radials, that is the configuration it's been in when it's been to the track. Best I've been able to manage is a 11.30 @126.
Still a good run and an amazing MPH. Your new Z/28 will not be close to that. But it will have other talents.
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..well NV dude for the record you PM'd me with a vague explanaiton of your argument, and I said carry on. So be it.
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LOL.

I remember watching a video where GM engineers were doing multiple 1/4 mile tests. I believe it was like a commercial of some sort that was viral. Just to show how much time and effort is being put into the ZL1.

Z28 is supposed to be the top tier camaro, per Mr Head Engineer Hoffinziner (spell?), I would expect it to be a top performer in every catagory.

ZL1 was a serious let down in the 1/4 mile when it was said and done, I expect the Z28 to do better with less power. You don't need 500 plus hp to run mid 12's like the zl1.
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:19 PM   #129
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LOL.

I remember watching a video where GM engineers were doing multiple 1/4 mile tests. I believe it was like a commercial of some sort that was viral. Just to show how much time and effort is being put into the ZL1.

Z28 is supposed to be the top tier camaro, per Mr Head Engineer Hoffinziner (spell?), I would expect it to be a top performer in every catagory.

ZL1 was a serious let down in the 1/4 mile when it was said and done, I expect the Z28 to do better with less power. You don't need 500 plus hp to run mid 12's like the zl1.
...dude, go back and read some more, your facts are skewed.... This post is atrocious. Blue slime. I can't even say nice try. Did you get booted from the Ford board?
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LOL.

I remember watching a video where GM engineers were doing multiple 1/4 mile tests. I believe it was like a commercial of some sort that was viral. Just to show how much time and effort is being put into the ZL1.

Z28 is supposed to be the top tier camaro, per Mr Head Engineer Hoffinziner (spell?), I would expect it to be a top performer in every catagory.

ZL1 was a serious let down in the 1/4 mile when it was said and done, I expect the Z28 to do better with less power. You don't need 500 plus hp to run mid 12's like the zl1.
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Old 12-10-2013, 06:50 AM   #131
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...dude, go back and read some more, your facts are skewed.... This post is atrocious. Blue slime. I can't even say nice try. Did you get booted from the Ford board?
Skewed in what way?

I'm actually an avid camaro5 reader (joined here 2 years before you) and my sister has 2011 ss camaro. I'm currently looking at the new camaro with 1le package.

Camaro is a great car. I don't hate it at all.
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LOL.

I remember watching a video where GM engineers were doing multiple 1/4 mile tests. I believe it was like a commercial of some sort that was viral. Just to show how much time and effort is being put into the ZL1.

Z28 is supposed to be the top tier camaro, per Mr Head Engineer Hoffinziner (spell?), I would expect it to be a top performer in every catagory.

ZL1 was a serious let down in the 1/4 mile when it was said and done, I expect the Z28 to do better with less power. You don't need 500 plus hp to run mid 12's like the zl1.
a 4000lbs car that runs 12s from the factory is pretty impressive

i think people forget that only less than 10 years ago running a high 12 pretty much meant you had the fastest car you could buy stock.

Mustang GTs and Camaros with LS1s were solid 13 second cars.

Also a 12 second car on the street is pretty fast. A few tweaks and drag radials with the ZL1 and Z/28 will be in the 11s
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:33 AM   #133
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a 4000lbs car that runs 12s from the factory is pretty impressive

i think people forget that only less than 10 years ago running a high 12 pretty much meant you had the fastest car you could buy stock.

Mustang GTs and Camaros with LS1s were solid 13 second cars.

Also a 12 second car on the street is pretty fast. A few tweaks and drag radials with the ZL1 and Z/28 will be in the 11s
Yes and no.

You have to look at what 12 second cars are availble to purchase now days.. and the price comparitives. My shelby stock ran 12.7 (5 yrs ago) and my 5.0 ran 12.8 stock. It was the cheaper mods afterwards that made the shelby faster. Just like the ZL1.. mid 12's then do the cheaper mods and you have 11 second car. However mid to high 12's is something of the norm from a 30k base mustang GT to 45k SRT8 Challenger to 60k ZL1 camaro.

I know I know..just 1/4 mile talk but that's what this thread is about.. I've been playing with cars since 1998.. and the LS1's that came out then still haunt my dreams when I had a 1994 5.0 mustang. LOL

If your goal is faster then 12's.. then ZL1 and GT500 are the cars to get with relative cheap mods to get into the 11's.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:58 AM   #134
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Speaking of drag racing Z/28s, I'd be remiss if I didn't share THE most famous one, ably wheeled by Dave Strickler. 1968 NHRA World Champion, Super Stock Eliminator. Prepped by one William Tyler (Grumpy) Jenkins. It was restored and sold awhile back... Other than the '68 Convertible, this may be as expensive a Gen-1 Zee as you're likely to find!

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Skewed in what way?

I'm actually an avid camaro5 reader (joined here 2 years before you) and my sister has 2011 ss camaro. I'm currently looking at the new camaro with 1le package.

Camaro is a great car. I don't hate it at all.
from your initial post " per Mr Head Engineer Hoffinziner (spell?),".. the obtuse info started there and went downhill. But I am glad to hear your sister is a Camaro owner.... rock on bro.
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Here we go, from that Automobile Z/28 article:

12.3 @117
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Old 03-22-2014, 11:36 PM   #137
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not horrilbe but I would would want more for $75k. hopefully the cold weather had some impact and they can get a 12.0 out it it. I new when they anounced this car though it was too heavy to be a rocket@500hp.

gm has this habit now of making cars that I really like the handling on but just need more power.

zl1, 1le, Z/28 all have this same effect.

I think the C7 is suprising me though that seem to be good at everthing out the box.
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:27 AM   #138
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The Z/28 is about lap time on a road course. Its 1/4 mile time is good, but almost irrelevant -- this car is all about the complete package, and not about one aspect of the performance envelope...
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not horrilbe but I would would want more for $75k. hopefully the cold weather had some impact and they can get a 12.0 out it it. I new when they anounced this car though it was too heavy to be a rocket@500hp.

gm has this habit now of making cars that I really like the handling on but just need more power.

zl1, 1le, Z/28 all have this same effect.

I think the C7 is suprising me though that seem to be good at everthing out the box.
Sorry but I feel that complaining about a 1/4 mile time on this car is completely foolishness.
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If the rear end of the Z/28 is as delicate as you people make it out to be, the car is going to be a disaster.
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If the rear end of the Z/28 is as delicate as you people make it out to be, the car is going to be a disaster.
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If the rear end of the Z/28 is as delicate as you people make it out to be, the car is going to be a disaster.
The car comes with essentially the same diff. set-up as the 426 hp 1LE, but lighter-duty to the heavier (that weight thing) ZL1 set-up.

For rolling-start road racing (THE environment the car was designed-built for), the rear diff. is just fine. But putting 305+ slicks on it, and trying redline launches repeatedly (like some ham-footed folks will do) will likely lead to some mechanical mayhem...

If your intended application is steady use as a strip-tripper, invest in some ZL1 parts, or try the aftermarket.

Try telling the dealer "I only drive it EASY" when the rubber bits are caked in the rear wheelwells...and things are clangin' out back...
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Are we trying to say the Z28 won't or shouldn't be tested on the 1/4 because it's a track car? And if so, if the SS is good on the drag strip, does that mean it shouldn't be used on the track?

I guaranty the first full tests of the Z28 in Car & Driver, Road & Track and Motor Trend will include 1/4 mile drag strip test results.
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Of course they'll include 1/4-mile times. No doubt. But there's a BIG difference between abusing a Camaro, on sticky tires, with 426 hp and doing the SAME thing with 500+ hp WITHOUT some rear diff. reinforcement...like they did with the ZL1.

Have you heard of a ZL1 lunching a diff? I haven't...

Have you heard of a modded SS lunching a diff, with stickies? I have...

Now add more horses, see how it launches a time or 200 on Drag Radials @ 6000+ rpm dump-clutch well-prepped concrete pads, and see what might happen...

If GM intended on the Z/28 being a "current COPO-for-the-street", they would have built it with the ZL1 (heavier) rear axle-diff. package. Just as the '69 COPOs got...
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Are we trying to say the Z28 won't or shouldn't be tested on the 1/4 because it's a track car? And if so, if the SS is good on the drag strip, does that mean it shouldn't be used on the track?

I guaranty the first full tests of the Z28 in Car & Driver, Road & Track and Motor Trend will include 1/4 mile drag strip test results.
Don't worry it's not fragile. It's just not built specifically for the strip. The transmission gearing, suspension, wheels/tires, etc. are "not optimum" for the 1/4 mile. Now for tracking its exactly what you want! Drive it hard on the track.
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You all make me want to weep. The OG-riginal Z/28 was not a 1/4 mile racer, but a silly cool scca trans am racer. The new one is built to handle and power through road course like things and beat the crap out of most anything on that format. It does. Get a modded Grand National (or GNX if your froggy) if you want a 1/4 mile car.
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this car doesnt require launch control just a driver who is used to drag racing with a standard transmission

If one really wanted to make this a drag car a line lock and 2 step are not hard to install

With that said this car with drag radials and skinny fronts could dip into the 11s. With a cam from just about any LS tuner will get the car very close to the 10s.

This is a road race/track car.

One problem is fitting 17" wheels over those giant brakes

If one wanted to tinker it could be done. But if someone really wanted to drag race a camaro - just buy the 1SS and use the savings for modifications
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No one should complain about the Z/28 1/4 time. It is what you would expect given the power and weight of the car. And it is not what anyone is buying the Z/28 for. Just like back in the day, Z/28s are not king of the drag strip. That is not what the first one and this one were built for.

My prediction was 12.2 @ 115. It ran 12.3 @117. C&D did 12.7@116. I would bet that was on a cold day. I underestimated the Z/28 a bit with that 117 mph. 11s are doable with some good drag radials and no other changes. Low profile tires with stiff sidewalls do not hook no matter how sticky they are.

A halfway decent driver can beat the current Camaro launch control, so the Z/28 or any Camaro doesn't need it. It's a marketing tool.

And standard SSes can live a long time at 600 rwhp with the standard axles. But if you don't respect wheelhop or do some hi rpm clutch dropping, then you are in trouble. Z/28s with about 440 rwhp will be fine.

Hope some of you can sleep better now.
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