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Old 11-24-2013, 06:58 PM   #1
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700HP OR 800HP,YOU DECIDE FOR ME

I have read everything each company offers for HP increase in the Z's and I think I have decided on one. 510 racing offers a incinerator package at a decent price which is the 700hp deal. I think that is enough for now but was thinking maybe I should do the 800hp? I just do not know. I want to keep it very streetable and reliable so I think the 800hp package may be to much. Now I do not have deep pockets so that is why the 700hp package looks good to me. What do you all think? Which one would you do and is 510 racing a good choice? I want to make the right decision and have no regrets. Thanks
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:01 PM   #2
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:09 PM   #3
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Your gonna ask a bunch of car guys if you should go 700 or 800? Of course we are gonna say 700
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:13 PM   #4
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800 package from 21st muscle cars is my pick...:-)
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:26 PM   #6
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:29 PM   #7
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I don't know if you have talked to ADM but I highly recommend his shop. Everyone on here that has had work done by him can tell you how much he works with you any time you feel you need an upgrade. I just met someone this weekend that was going to get some of my old parts as part of their upgrade. With him you never have to worry about a purchase, if you want to change something he will give you a fair price for the old parts. You could feel pretty safe having him do a 700 package for you because if you wanted to upgrade it would be no problem. Not only does he know what he is doing but he is a good guy. You cannot find that everywhere.
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:33 PM   #8
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ADM and no regrets! I have the 750+ package that actually ended up being 800hp. He actually made it close to 850 but then backed it down a little at my request. I have not had any problems at all. I took it to him at 2,000 miles and currently have 7700 miles on car and it runs like a scalded dog! Trust me and everybody else here. If you settle for less you will regret it! ADM and crew are standup guys and know their business. Good luck!
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Go to ADM like was just said twice! I'm on my 2nd ADM built car & couldn't be happier, Andy & crew (they don't like their names mentioned) are awesome, meticulous, perfectionists that really know these cars inside & out, there is not a better choice! Prices are cheap for the quality of work you get also.
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I have read everything each company offers for HP increase in the Z's and I think I have decided on one. 510 racing offers a incinerator package at a decent price which is the 700hp deal. I think that is enough for now but was thinking maybe I should do the 800hp? I just do not know. I want to keep it very streetable and reliable so I think the 800hp package may be to much. Now I do not have deep pockets so that is why the 700hp package looks good to me. What do you all think? Which one would you do and is 510 racing a good choice? I want to make the right decision and have no regrets. Thanks
You cant go wrong with any shop in Texas.

As far as reading what every company offers , I must say that our website only dictates 10% of what we do.

At ADM we have a simple motto we build by : "IS IT GOOD ENOUGH,THE CUSTOMER WILL DECIDED"

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Old 11-24-2013, 09:38 PM   #11
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:29 PM   #12
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Just go in between! I vote 750ish! Love it!
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:49 PM   #13
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Yes 700 is plenty good enough. Why would you need any more than that? Oh ya, because we are car people and it's never really enough so get the 900 package while you plan the 1,000+ build.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:55 AM   #14
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Yes 700 is plenty good enough. Why would you need any more than that? Oh ya, because we are car people and it's never really enough so get the 900 package while you plan the 1,000+ build.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:11 AM   #15
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We offer packages at the 700 & 800hp level. The great the thing is you can start with the Incinerator package 700hp and later if you decide you can easily upgrade to the FlameThrower 800hp package.

We would be more than happy to work with you on either level. both packages offer huge increases yet retain factory type drivability.

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Old 11-25-2013, 12:15 PM   #16
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My .02

Poeple on the internet are so married to HP numbers it drive me crazy.

1. what are you goals fo the car? drag race, road race, driven hard on the open road, or brag on the internet about hp.

if you drag race I would target about ~700whp and get a set of real sticky tires. also factor in cooling mods.

if you road race I would no target HP as much as sustained broad power deliver that you can actually keep cool lap after lap.

if you just drive you car hard on the open road on stock rubber I would tap out about ~650hp or so or Just basically keep it simple. the tires will not support much more and you will never been in much of a situation to take advantage of the extra money spent as you will just always be pedaling for traction. Also simple cooling mods will keep you car alive and well for spirited driving. you can push it farther if you want but it really hard to use the extra power in the real world unless you just roll race. I mean 650 vs 700hp on the stock good years around town just mean you are in huge trouble in 7.5 seconds instead of 7.7 seconds ha ha. both will get you to triple digits real fast.

If you brag about how much HP your car has then go with 800HP and it has more braggin rights. there are other area's that need mods IMO before you need this power level IMO.

800HP is beyond the limts of safety with this platform. if you actually use the car you will break things at some point. ask anybody with the HP and time on the car they will have had failures of some kind.

1 clutch is past is level
2. tranny is past its safty factro
3. blower is well out of its effeciency
4. rods are past there limit
5. pistons will not live with detonation and you pusing it.
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:06 PM   #17
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Why stop at 800? Go to 1000.....That would be awesome
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:54 PM   #18
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I have read everything each company offers for HP increase in the Z's and I think I have decided on one. 510 racing offers a incinerator package at a decent price which is the 700hp deal. I think that is enough for now but was thinking maybe I should do the 800hp? I just do not know. I want to keep it very streetable and reliable so I think the 800hp package may be to much. Now I do not have deep pockets so that is why the 700hp package looks good to me. What do you all think? Which one would you do and is 510 racing a good choice? I want to make the right decision and have no regrets. Thanks
I have the Answer, compromise JRE 750 HP Road Race special

650 RWHP is 750 Crank HP.

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Old 11-25-2013, 05:41 PM   #19
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The horsepower I want is for drag racing. You know how it is between your friends,it is who has the fastest car. I know,I know there is always going to be somebody faster but they are going to have to step up and do it. I just do not want to be the slowest car out there!
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:01 PM   #20
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My .02

Poeple on the internet are so married to HP numbers it drive me crazy.

1. what are you goals fo the car? drag race, road race, driven hard on the open road, or brag on the internet about hp.

if you drag race I would target about ~700whp and get a set of real sticky tires. also factor in cooling mods.

if you road race I would no target HP as much as sustained broad power deliver that you can actually keep cool lap after lap.

if you just drive you car hard on the open road on stock rubber I would tap out about ~650hp or so or Just basically keep it simple. the tires will not support much more and you will never been in much of a situation to take advantage of the extra money spent as you will just always be pedaling for traction. Also simple cooling mods will keep you car alive and well for spirited driving. you can push it farther if you want but it really hard to use the extra power in the real world unless you just roll race. I mean 650 vs 700hp on the stock good years around town just mean you are in huge trouble in 7.5 seconds instead of 7.7 seconds ha ha. both will get you to triple digits real fast.

If you brag about how much HP your car has then go with 800HP and it has more braggin rights. there are other area's that need mods IMO before you need this power level IMO.

800HP is beyond the limts of safety with this platform. if you actually use the car you will break things at some point. ask anybody with the HP and time on the car they will have had failures of some kind.

1 clutch is past is level
2. tranny is past its safty factro
3. blower is well out of its effeciency
4. rods are past there limit
5. pistons will not live with detonation and you pusing it.
Now thats the best answer I have ever seen.
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I spoke with the guys at 510 and really liked them. The were always quick to respond either via phone or email (and sometimes both!) In the end I went with another shop around Houston that was a lot closer to me and is known for their work on the LSA (lots of experience on the CTS-V) - although I've heard that 510 does an excellent job as well.
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if it is drag racing, go 800!! Get a set of dedicated drag tires and have fun. Mickey Thompson drag radials always have served me well.
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The horsepower I want is for drag racing. You know how it is between your friends,it is who has the fastest car. I know,I know there is always going to be somebody faster but they are going to have to step up and do it. I just do not want to be the slowest car out there!
I would post in a budget and ~ et goal. high to mid 10's can be done fairly resonable. low 10's high 9's start to add up in cost.

to me on this car there is a stadard staring recipe for going real fast without killing the wallet.

1. cai (i have rotofab) $400
2. tb ( I did LS7) $130
3. longtubes (going to do phadt) $600-$1800
4. injectors (going to do ID850's) $800
5. higher boost pulley combo of some kind 2.35upper, 10" lower, or say 10% lower with 2.55 upper. this gets debated time to time I would use what ever the tuner of your car likes. I started with the lower because to achive maximum safe blower RPM per the lingefelter chart you need a lower in the picture. (proabably going to end up with 9.55 or 10" lower) $750 or so
6. Cooling mod of some kind HX or Super chiller or meth kit what ever makes sence to you this one getts debated as well. (have not decided yet considering supper chiller since I have my own vaccum pump and can charge my AC myself) ~800
7. tune (i went to jannety cause if does free retunes and I am poor and could not buy it all at once)

you do what I posted there and on the right tire driven correclty you should have a 10 second car.

then from there if budget permits head porting and Cam are also great mods but if you have to pay for labor that can be 5k-6k by itself.
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The horsepower I want is for drag racing. You know how it is between your friends,it is who has the fastest car. I know,I know there is always going to be somebody faster but they are going to have to step up and do it. I just do not want to be the slowest car out there!
We can certainly support you here also, we have built some of the fastest cars in the country on this platform and we are Drag Racers, We know how to get a car down the track.

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