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Old 12-12-2013, 02:52 PM   #26
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Latest update. Tried 6F3R like Pedders says is a start place for street oem for the regular XA's.Didnt like it at first, again, and what alot of people with xa'a said, still that rear end bounce and firmess, like the tires were overinflated. Same result as when there is more rear rebound vs the front, but not as bad. Well today put the tires at 35/35 psi, they were 35/33, the old less air in the rear makes softer ride theory.Well not this time, the 315 invos on 10" rims, and invos in general seem to like more air, and that did the trick! 2 lousy psi with my setup and tires, got rid of the rear bounce its pretty compliant over that patched pavement, stable, softer yet solid and firm all at one time, a little firm gjiggle here and there but with this setup to be expected.On the freeway nice and composed, solid and stable and takes the drops in the concrete sections well and controlled, you bounce up a bit in the seat but my head didnt hit the roof this time..lol.

Anyway great shocks and can adjust till the cows come home to whatever you haveas a setup and your roads, what you like as to ride feel and all that.

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Old 12-17-2013, 11:05 PM   #27
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Played with more settings. I like 12/10 and 12/10 as another street option. Firm but balanced and soaks up bumps. Better then the 9/6 setting and like it better then the 6/3 comfy setting, though that one is best for really bad roads. These parts will always be firm though unless you go 0/0 but thats not that controlled.
12/12 is good but firm, 14/14 is factory stock but a bit firm, though all these settings are pretty balanced as settings same front and rear
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Old 12-24-2013, 05:19 PM   #28
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Latest tests and 9/8 & 9/8 works really well on the street. Think they will stay there for now.One click softer in the rear and you start to notice it, good, but a little softer.One click more then the front and it is more firm,my butt dyno has become well calibrated by now...lol I like the balanced settings vs the others, again as the car is about 50/50 balance also.Note rebound 10%more then bound is good and I have read recommended as best combo, other then if trying for more or less understeer then up that ends rebound.
One last bit, 1275 miles and coilovers havent settled one bit, like that, will see if they do later.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:34 PM   #29
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Latest news. Coilovers have 1900 miles, no problems but now breaking in more. This has thrown some settings/ trials off. Some of the same front/rear settings now have some rear bounce. Tried all the recommended settings from Pedders and others from all the threads I found to get a good basic direction. For me and my setup none got rid of the rear bounce, by adding more rear rebound then on the front.That actually increased or caused the bounce, contrary to Pedders and others, theory being to control the rear more with the stiffer rear springs etc. Thats good for the auto x for more oversteer but not on the street. What works so far is 12/12 & 10/10 to start though that is good, just a bit rough or more road feel, but no bounce, lessoned the bound to 10 and 8 and that softened it up some.Now at 11/9 & 9/8 and was great on the freeways other then on a rough,choppy section of concrete freeway. Balanced around town and no bounce, just a little firm giggle feel from the back and thats most likely the stiff springs from what the pro's tell me, so all good. May go 10/9 & 8/7 but like it a little firm so will see.

Again this is what I like, and the fun of course is playing around with the settings to get what works, to bad these arent cockpit adjustables!

Sat. Auto X was fun, fast course, mostly 36-37 second range which were the fastest times for anyone out there and where we were all at, though "So Cal Camaro" did a 35! Of course those that know him will not be surprised. So Cal Race team did great, 7 of us out there. Mustangs not close mostly and Porsche guys we kept up with or beat probably had them confused a bit ...lol. I played with some settings in the softer street range which seemed to work,but no conclusive evidence one way or the other as far as I could tell with my limited experiance. I did much better then the last time the course was this fast by an average of 1.2 seconds. coilovers, larger Nitto's, driving faster and tire pressures I guess, but what helped or not I dont know.
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:32 PM   #30
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Well last entry in the Log. 3200 miles, car has settled about 1/8th". I like the front the way is but raised the rear 5/16" to The Pedders 660mm hieght, front is 654. Like the look, wheel well gap is same front and rear now. Now that its broken in finally I keep the setting to 2-3, tired of messing with it and the differences aren't changing anything, just softer or firmer but same basic body movements and reactions to the different road surfaces. Keeping it at 9/8&12/8 or 11/10&14/10 range
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Well last entry in the Log. 3200 miles, car has settled about 1/8th". I like the front the way is but raised the rear 5/16" to The Pedders 660mm hieght, front is 654. Like the look, wheel well gap is same front and rear now. Now that its broken in finally I keep the setting to 2-3, tired of messing with it and the differences aren't changing anything, just softer or firmer but same basic body movements and reactions to the different road surfaces. Keeping it at 9/8&12/8 or 11/10&14/10 range
That can only mean quicker lap times
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That can only mean quicker lap times
Reduced from the stiifer setting to the softer one I mentioned at Fontana and shaved off 1/2 second. Dont know if two clicks softer will
help but we'll see
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Reduced from the stiifer setting to the softer one I mentioned at Fontana and shaved off 1/2 second. Dont know if two clicks softer will
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Reduced from the stiifer setting to the softer one I mentioned at Fontana and shaved off 1/2 second. Dont know if two clicks softer will
help but we'll see
What were your lap times?
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What were your lap times?
Used the setting for the last session of the day. Started at 37.4 and last lap of five was 36.7 as I got used to being able to push it more as the tires were grabbing more with a bit more lean. The best I got all day with the stiffer settings was 37.3 and average was mid 37's
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Baron,

Question for you since you track Fontana too. Is the following pic normal for that track after two days'ish? Does that track eat tires that much? Or would tire choice and PSI setting help save some tire there?



To me that tire looks like it has too much pressure in it and it ballooned in the middle and he/she wore it out in the middle. Thoughts?

I am not trying to "bust out" the individual who's tire this is but I am trying to understand what happened to this tire and whether it is track related or user error. Since I have never been on this track I am asking someone who has. Capece?

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^Is that a front or rear? What alignment settings? What were the hot pressures?
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I do not know F or R, Or alignment (info was not given). Pressure started at 37 Hot and then dropped 2 lbs. I tried to pry the info out. Car is a 1LE and I am guessing stock alignment.

That is why it is difficult to understand what happened to this tire.

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Fontana does that to tires, mine look the same. Now the center look I dont know. I start at 34/32 with my invo's and dont go past 37/35 after 5 runs.I have started at 35 and gone to 39 to40 but center didnt look like that.He maybe running to high on the street ? My wear is pretty even and run 1.2 degrees negative camber in front
now that I look at it more, not sure which is the outside part of the tire, guess the left view, its not just the center but wearing down from center all the way to the one edge? Could be camber setting is to much?
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now that I look at it more, not sure which is the outside part of the tire, guess the left view, its not just the center but wearing down from center all the way to the one edge? Could be camber setting is to much?
The left side is the outside. That's a PZero tire. I can tell by the tread pattern which matches pics of my old tires. I think you're right though, too much camber. Look at the pitch of the tread. It angles down to the inside. There might have been a little too much air as well, but I think the camber is the bigger issue.
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Hey Mike, How are ya?

Yea, you know me, I run hard at Autobahn CC and Road America regularly and my tires never looked like that so when this person said that Fontana does this to tires I was shocked and thought maybe there was more to it. So I had to ask.

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That doesn't look like camber wear at all to me...
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That doesn't look like camber wear at all to me...
Any idea's? These tires seem to wear in the center unless you are at 32 psi or something, but not like that from the center all the way to the edge.
though it would have to be alot of neg. Camber, at 1.2 degrees my wear is pretty even
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Any idea's? These tires seem to wear in the center unless you are at 32 psi or something, but not like that from the center all the way to the edge.
though it would have to be alot of neg. Camber, at 1.2 degrees my wear is pretty even
Without knowing specifics, I'd have to agree with too much pressure...
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It's difficult to determine the issue without knowing what the guy was running on pressure and alignment. Zooming in you can see the middle valley appears to be shallower than the other two indicating over pressure. But it also looks like more wear towards the inside of the tire which is too much camber. However considering those are PZeros it could be from a loss a traction. I had a similar problem with fronts when I first tracked with the stock alignment and tire at our local Autobahn track. It's a euro track with lots of turns and I was pushing hard all day. The fronts had considerable wear on the outside and looked the opposite of this picture. In my case not enough tire on the front and too little camber. I ran 32 pounds.


But regardless this is why it's good to take tire temps after a run to make sure your setup is right.


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It all sounds good to me. Hope the person gets it sorted out.
Hope you guys dont freeze to much back there, my daughter is in Va and getting tired of all the snow with a 50 mile drive to work.Its 70 here today. The only downside is no water, Governor may say we have to pee on the plants to water them...lol
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To much camber looks different.
The road course on fontana changes from excellent track (the oval) to horrible stuff. Autox there is on a crappy patch of asphalt. It is hard on tires.
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Too much pressure is what I thought as soon as I saw it, whether it was front or rear but I did not want to skew anyone's opinion.

Too much camber would wear the outside of the tire. Not that, IMHO, that is EVEN possible.

All of the snow out here just let's us do all of our mods over the winter, if we have any to do. Otherwise we just sit and stew and when finally let loose in the spring we usually go through a set of tires in two weeks.

Keep safe out there guys. See you on the track.

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Said the tire preassure was 37, the down 2. Probably was more then that

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