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Old 07-25-2009, 02:56 AM   #1
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Question Cold Air Induction Test for ALL aftermarket System??

There has been soo much talk about all the different Cold Air Induction Systems starting to hit the market. I myself (Late Model Racecraft) am willing to get a magazine company involved and actually due Dyno tests and track results of every aftermarket Cold Air Induction System on the market for everyone to be able to see un biased results. Any other vendor that wants in on this just let me know and I will try and make it happen. This way we will use ONE car for the test. That way every CAI out their will be tested with the same vehicle, on the same day, in the same temperatures, and on the same dyno and track. What does everyone think about that?
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:58 AM   #2
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There has been soo much talk about all the different Cold Air Induction Systems starting to hit the market. I myself (Late Model Racecraft) am willing to get a magazine company involved and actually due Dyno tests and track results of every aftermarket Cold Air Induction System on the market for everyone to be able to see un biased results. Any other vendor that wants in on this just let me know and I will try and make it happen. This way we will use ONE car for the test. That way every CAI out their will be tested with the same vehicle, on the same day, in the same temperatures, and on the same dyno and track. What does everyone think about that?
Fantastic idea; do it!
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:18 AM   #3
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I like it, put your money where your mouth is!
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:21 AM   #4
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I like it, put your money where your mouth is!
Exactly!
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Old 07-25-2009, 09:27 AM   #5
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Great idea. You should contact GM High Tech Performance. Id bet they jump all over this.
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Old 07-25-2009, 09:49 AM   #6
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Will the other vendors be able to be present to ensure the tests are being conducted... what's the word, here?.... precisely?
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:03 AM   #7
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GREAT IDEA!!! I think it's going to really give everyone a great understanding of what the differences are between all the kits out there.
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:39 AM   #8
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Test info should include price, appearance, ease of installation, material made of, weight, intake air temps, heat soak temps, performance, sound levels. And all of this without a custom tune; just bolt on and these are the results.
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:49 AM   #9
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Thats great. Maybe once all is said and done, I will get one and show it off in the GM High Tech Magazine photo shoot of my car..
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:09 PM   #10
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over at the lxforums, some members donated their car and time to do a test of various products. the speed shop provided the dyno for the day and manufactures sent their products...from cai, cams, headers, etc...to test. the members donated their time to install and some donated money to test they compiled a list of different products and results...

they even had a live stream of the test

here were some results...
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showth...highlight=gifo
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=141740

here they had track time to compare
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Old 07-26-2009, 01:21 AM   #11
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I'd pay $7 for that mag. Somehow I think i'd get the article here cheaper though.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:11 PM   #12
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Great Idea, I think the testing should be done by a shop that does not make their own induction system though, just to keep it neutral.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:12 PM   #13
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I want to see 1/4 runs with these sytems, not dyno runs. Use the same driver and do some before and after 1/4 runs. This is all that matters.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:44 PM   #14
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I want to see 1/4 runs with these sytems, not dyno runs. Use the same driver and do some before and after 1/4 runs. This is all that matters.
Too many variables.

The same driver with the same car 5 minutes apart will have different times. Impossible to tell whether it was the intake.

There are still variables on a dyno but no where near as much as the track.
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We don't make any products, and we'd love to lend a hand for testing. Give me a call if you get some details hammered down. Do you have any idea if you'd like to keep this to one vehicle, just intakes, etc?

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Old 07-27-2009, 07:14 PM   #16
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this is a great idea, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS!!!!
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:26 PM   #17
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Great idea. You should contact GM High Tech Performance. Id bet they jump all over this.
That is the LAST place you want something to be tested honestly...

Their testing is so SPONSOR driven, it would be impossible for an unbiased result. Wait until you see the camshaft shoot out. The tester was highly restricted to use ONLY paid advertisers during the run off...

Arrange for a Ford based dyno shop that has no interest in the result, test this. There are tons of Ford-only shops around here so I know one of them could do the test without the bias...
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Too many variables.

The same driver with the same car 5 minutes apart will have different times. Impossible to tell whether it was the intake.

There are still variables on a dyno but no where near as much as the track.
I agree and when you are talking about parts that are worth no more than 10-12 rw hp, heat soak in between runs and dyno pulls can be a greater variation.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:49 PM   #19
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I personally think the Late Model Racecraft setup is the best I've see so far. Would love to see what the gains are on the available ones. Good luck to you! Sounds like you are ready to back up your product.

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I like Ed's Idea...a Ford shop or Mopar shop "should" have nothing to gain from the deal. Real testing like this, in a controlled environment (as controlled as it can be anyway), would be a very novel approach. I applaud it if it goes down!
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So you make sure that whatever shop does the work will provide datalogged proof of intake air temps, engine coolant temps, spark advance, etc. This way all conditions are documented. I would imagine let's say 6 companies decide to join in on this that you run 3 intakes per day. We make sure to do them on days that the Dynojet weather station will apply the same SAE correction, the humidity is within reason (5%) and the outside temperature is within reason (5 degrees).

You CAN provide fair results. Obviously not on a one day ordeal where they're run back to back to back, but if proper cool down time is alloted, datalogs are present, air/fuel ratio and spark advance are givien....I don't see why this cant be done?

With us being a larger Ford shop, we're familiar with the results of such tests as the Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Cold Air Intake shootout a few years back when the 2005-2009 S197 Mustang platform was released with JLT, C&L, Steeda, MMR, etc, etc. Who knows how fair things were? If an independent shop conducts the test, writes the article, and sends it in for approval I think it will spark great interest.

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Old 07-28-2009, 10:54 AM   #22
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cool idea, better be an auto test car if there will be track results.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:58 AM   #23
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Too many variables.

The same driver with the same car 5 minutes apart will have different times. Impossible to tell whether it was the intake.

There are still variables on a dyno but no where near as much as the track.
I'll take the 1/4 info any day over the dyno. The car is not even moving on a dyno, I don't feel you get true results. Dyno numbers are for internet racing.
Take it too the track and give me the results. Whatever you have to do to minimize variables, do it.
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Awesome thought!!

Even though I already purchased a CAI from LMR, I would love to see the results.

I think the results will surprise some people.

I know the "ease of installation" for the LMR product is a 10 out of 10 for ease...but that is very judgemental.

So, let the tests begin and lets see the results.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:16 AM   #25
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Awesome idea!!!! Can't wait on results!!
Definitely want to see multiple factors examined...
Price
Ease of install
Invasiveness of install (how much stuff has to get moved around to fit)
Weight
Color options(?)
And ofcourse all the performance numbers
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