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Old 07-27-2009, 09:48 PM   #18
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Too many variables.

The same driver with the same car 5 minutes apart will have different times. Impossible to tell whether it was the intake.

There are still variables on a dyno but no where near as much as the track.
I agree and when you are talking about parts that are worth no more than 10-12 rw hp, heat soak in between runs and dyno pulls can be a greater variation.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:49 PM   #19
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I personally think the Late Model Racecraft setup is the best I've see so far. Would love to see what the gains are on the available ones. Good luck to you! Sounds like you are ready to back up your product.

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:02 PM   #20
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I like Ed's Idea...a Ford shop or Mopar shop "should" have nothing to gain from the deal. Real testing like this, in a controlled environment (as controlled as it can be anyway), would be a very novel approach. I applaud it if it goes down!
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So you make sure that whatever shop does the work will provide datalogged proof of intake air temps, engine coolant temps, spark advance, etc. This way all conditions are documented. I would imagine let's say 6 companies decide to join in on this that you run 3 intakes per day. We make sure to do them on days that the Dynojet weather station will apply the same SAE correction, the humidity is within reason (5%) and the outside temperature is within reason (5 degrees).

You CAN provide fair results. Obviously not on a one day ordeal where they're run back to back to back, but if proper cool down time is alloted, datalogs are present, air/fuel ratio and spark advance are givien....I don't see why this cant be done?

With us being a larger Ford shop, we're familiar with the results of such tests as the Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Cold Air Intake shootout a few years back when the 2005-2009 S197 Mustang platform was released with JLT, C&L, Steeda, MMR, etc, etc. Who knows how fair things were? If an independent shop conducts the test, writes the article, and sends it in for approval I think it will spark great interest.

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Old 07-28-2009, 10:54 AM   #22
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cool idea, better be an auto test car if there will be track results.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:58 AM   #23
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Too many variables.

The same driver with the same car 5 minutes apart will have different times. Impossible to tell whether it was the intake.

There are still variables on a dyno but no where near as much as the track.
I'll take the 1/4 info any day over the dyno. The car is not even moving on a dyno, I don't feel you get true results. Dyno numbers are for internet racing.
Take it too the track and give me the results. Whatever you have to do to minimize variables, do it.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:03 AM   #24
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Awesome thought!!

Even though I already purchased a CAI from LMR, I would love to see the results.

I think the results will surprise some people.

I know the "ease of installation" for the LMR product is a 10 out of 10 for ease...but that is very judgemental.

So, let the tests begin and lets see the results.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:16 AM   #25
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Awesome idea!!!! Can't wait on results!!
Definitely want to see multiple factors examined...
Price
Ease of install
Invasiveness of install (how much stuff has to get moved around to fit)
Weight
Color options(?)
And ofcourse all the performance numbers
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:25 AM   #26
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And who will be the driver for each of the tests?
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:36 AM   #27
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Great idea LMR. I'd love to see all the available CAI systems compared possibly on the same car, and we'll get to see what the differences are with all the different prices and looks out there, this will definately ease some minds.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:50 AM   #28
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Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR.

Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp.

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Old 07-28-2009, 12:26 PM   #29
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Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR.

Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp.

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Good idea. One stock, and the other with headers and exhaust which are probably the two mods most owners would be likely to make. Not everyone is going to go 500+ rwhp but it might be interesting to test a car at that level with whichever CAI comes out on top in testing.
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I really like this idea. I think we should have dyno testing w/ no tuning and drag testing as well, but on an L99 car for consistency. Most cars w/ headers and an intake though would require some tuning I think.
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Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR.

Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp.

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Sounds good to me. I will see what we can do. I am ready and willing to help make this happen, which other vendors out there are in?
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:40 AM   #32
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Old 07-30-2009, 04:21 PM   #33
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That is the LAST place you want something to be tested honestly...

Their testing is so SPONSOR driven, it would be impossible for an unbiased result. Wait until you see the camshaft shoot out. The tester was highly restricted to use ONLY paid advertisers during the run off...

Arrange for a Ford based dyno shop that has no interest in the result, test this. There are tons of Ford-only shops around here so I know one of them could do the test without the bias...

Ed, please check out the latest issue of our magazine (GM High Tech) - we installed one of your camshafts and picked up over 140-rwhp on a Twin Turbo G8. In fact, it performed so well we put it on the cover. Title - New Era (pages 47-52)

I personally welcome you to keep me informed of any upcoming products/projects you (or anyone) is offering, you can email me at justin.cesler@sorc.com or PM me on here.

We try to offer the BEST and most un-baised reviews possible. Both Scott Parker and I are enthusiasts, we want the best stuff possible on the market. Do we review advertisers parts? Of course we do, who wouldn't? But we also try to use as many willing participants a possible, so please, if you (or anyone) are interested in being involved in future testing, please let me know.
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Old 08-01-2009, 09:00 PM   #34
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Ed, please check out the latest issue of our magazine (GM High Tech) - we installed one of your camshafts and picked up over 140-rwhp on a Twin Turbo G8. In fact, it performed so well we put it on the cover. Title - New Era (pages 47-52)

I personally welcome you to keep me informed of any upcoming products/projects you (or anyone) is offering, you can email me at justin.cesler@sorc.com or PM me on here.

We try to offer the BEST and most un-baised reviews possible. Both Scott Parker and I are enthusiasts, we want the best stuff possible on the market. Do we review advertisers parts? Of course we do, who wouldn't? But we also try to use as many willing participants a possible, so please, if you (or anyone) are interested in being involved in future testing, please let me know.

Ed, so can we go ahead and set this up. Nineball(Tony) lives in houston and can work with me on getting everything planned. Now all we need is other vendors interested in using their product for the magazine articles.
We need help from you Forum members to choose which CAI's you would like to see tested against one another. We will be able to judge cost, how easy or hard to install, along with dyno and track results. Please post in this thread to keep it at the top so we can get as many CAI systems to participate.
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