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Old 01-09-2014, 11:40 AM   #562
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No way in HELL should you have to BUY another car from them. They OWE you another car.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:47 AM   #563
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I've been following this closely, as I know some relatives of Mr. Hooper. I shot a paraphrased version of the posts John has made here to my best friends dad who is the service manager of a GM/Cadillac dealer and he said the following:

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G.M. has no obligation dealerships are privately owned. The first thing I would do is contacted my insurance so they can go after the dealerships insurance company. All dealerships have a disclaimer for road testing vehicles by authorized personal for testing purposes, since the vehicle has taken from their care, custody and control on a day they were closed and not for test purposes this persons lawyer should have a field day. It’s hard to believe they are being this difficult! I would go after them hard, he probably should of first gone to the owner or the executive of the company and told him to make it right or he will go to the media before the story got out itself, as a bargaining chip. The only legal thing that is required by the dealership is for their insurance to cover the claim. If his attorney thinks there is a civil suit he would know? One thing is for sure I would not buy anything from them!
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Can you give us all an update on this situation ?
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OP posted an update yesterday G Money, post # 529, that is probably the most recent info available
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:30 PM   #566
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John, I am very sorry you have to be dealing with this BS. It's clear the dealer is at fault and needs to give you a brand new ZL1 to replace yours.

I did some searching to find some similar stories and heres what came up. not sure if anyone has mentioned these, but they are all similar to your scenario, John.

An M5 wrecked by dealer technician on "test drive". Took 16 months to finally close the case.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...16-months.html

A Porsche 996 wrecked by a dealer technician on a test drive
http://carpundit.typepad.com/carpund...a_porsche.html

2005 corvette in for broken antenna and jammed trunk. Dealer drives, against the owners orders, and wrecks it. Car was eventually replaced with brand new 2007 corvette at no loss to the owner.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...h-a-new-b.html

Hang in there John... we're pullin' for you.
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:05 PM   #567
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The latest in the saga of the totaled ZL1 #1635...

The dealer was supposed to be finding me a 2013 ZL1 new. They agreed (or so I thought) that it would be for the best since buying a used one (yes, ME BUYING from them) could only lead to problems down the road.

I have been patient. I finally got a call on Monday (1/6) to come over to look at the car they "found" for me. They were sure I would be pleased. Imagine my surprise when the car they "found" turned out to be a trade-in on a new Stingray. The car was a 2012 ZL1, black like mine, but with a sunroof (which I do not want), 34% more miles than mine, new tires (why did it need new tires at 13,588 miles?), different wheels than mine, non-Chevrolet emblems front and back, and tinted windows. Also absolutely NO documentation on the car, even though I was told the car had more documentation than mine.

I was not even told the mileage on the car until I went out and sat in it for myself. Amazing that we had to go over all the figures first. And yes, I was to buy this car from them. They did offer $4K "feel good" (their words, not mine) money to buy the correct emblems and rims. However, nothing was mentioned about a lower price for the higher mileage.

My wife and I just were not that happy with the car. We offered a counter-offer and let the dealership for them to discuss our proposal.

When we got home last night, we discovered through this forum (thanks, guys) that the car was a TWO owner car, not a one-owner car like we were told. We also found out that the car was hit 3 days after the original owner purchased the car. WE paid $55 for a CarFax report--the dealer didn't even offer that for us. They did have some other report, but it wasn't a CarFax.

So they were basically trying to SELL us a 2-owner vehicle that had previous body damage, along with tinted windows, incorrect emblems, more mileage, the apparent need for new tires, and heaven only knows what else.

They called today to tell us that their original offer to buy THAT car from them was ALL they were going to (or willing to) offer. Take it or leave it. We really did not want a twice-used car with no documentation and do not feel it was a reasonable replacement for our show-winning, pristine, fully documented car with much less mileage.

So folks, almost a month later, I am still making payments on a car I do not have, and certainly cannot drive. And the dealer is unwilling to step up and "do the right thing."

I have retained an attorney, but really, why should I have to pay attorney fees when I am the innocent party in all of this. I did not ask for my car to be stolen by a dealer's employee.
just make sure you are keeping track of all your expenses (i.e. rental car etc) and i would get the highest priced rental something like what you were driving, because in the end they will pay for all this. they were at fault PERIOD! I am no lawyer, but they owe you a new car no doubt about it. the contract you entered into was leaving the car in good shape and getting back in equal or better shape (considering you were having work done)

The dealer is upset about the negative press they have received GOOD (jerks), yet they seem unwilling to do anything to remedy the situation. This just means they are idiots to not have settled already

I guess they will get what they deserve, even if I do not get what I fully deserve (my car replaced at no expense to me).

If this hadn't actually happened to me, I don't think I would have believed it.

The story has now been covered in the local newspaper (Cape Gazette), the local news station (WBOC), and a Philadelphia station (NBC10). Simply amazing...

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you should have a magnetic sign made with following on it

DEALER NAME HERE wrecked my 2013 ZL1 and won't make it right!


and put this on your rental, they can do nothing to you for speaking the truth, they would not be mad if you were driving around with a sign saying how great they are....just food for thought

best of luck we are all with you!
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I would pull the dealership through the mud !! Let all TV Programms ,newspapers and all the People know how they do their Business !!!
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This just doesn't seem to make sense at this point. By now the insurance company or companies should have come up with a value and tried to settle on a number for the totalled 2012. That is just how this has to work, one insurance company would take the lead and come up with a value and then go after the perpetrator. As far as after a settlement number is reached then it goes from that point.
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Hoop,

After reading this further, I hope you nail this dirtbag. You truly deserve better than this!
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Justin, one big difference here vs. all the other examples you have listed is one giant one. The dealership was closed in this one unlike the others you posted. In those situations techs etc. drove vehicles during business hours. This one is absolutely different. In this case it is more a case of theft, no more no less.
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Good luck John,
Glad to see media involved.
Now it's GM turn to get involved, district manager to help persuade the dealership to do what's in their best interest. The need to satisfy the customer. A 2012 low production ZL1 will be a collectible, and there is now way to get this back now. He should get a new car. Dealership needs to eat the cost of what the insurance doesn't pay for. If dealership chooses to, they can go after the ex-employee to recoup their loss.

Just some #'s not facts,
2012 ZL1 originally paid $60k
Insurance willing to pay $40k
So that leaves $20k

Come on, you mean to tell me the dealership can't easily recoup this quickly, they will over price a few stingrays above sticker ($5k) and it's done.
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Good luck John,
Glad to see media involved.
Now it's GM turn to get involved, district manager to help persuade the dealership to do what's in their best interest. The need to satisfy the customer. A 2012 low production ZL1 will be a collectible, and there is now way to get this back now. He should get a new car. Dealership needs to eat the cost of what the insurance doesn't pay for. If dealership chooses to, they can go after the ex-employee to recoup their loss.

Just some #'s not facts,
2012 ZL1 originally paid $60k
Insurance willing to pay $40k
So that leaves $20k

Come on, you mean to tell me the dealership can't easily recoup this quickly, they will over price a few stingrays above sticker ($5k) and it's done.
And this is what GAP insurance is for.

Also why I said the dealer should have made it right in the beginning with a new identical car and had the customer agree that any compensation is the dealers. From either insurance company.
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And this is what GAP insurance is for.

Also why I said the dealer should have made it right in the beginning with a new identical car and had the customer agree that any compensation is the dealers. From either insurance company.
Thanks PQ, so there is something wrong all together with this dealer!
It would seem pretty easy for them to order a new car or search for a new one to make their customer happy. How this turns my stomach!

I am going to be more mindful the next time I am at the dealership for anything.
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And this is what GAP insurance is for.

Also why I said the dealer should have made it right in the beginning with a new identical car and had the customer agree that any compensation is the dealers. From either insurance company.

GAP insurance covers the difference between what the insurance is paying out on the car and what you still owe on your car loan. So if he owed 50K on his car loan and the insurance was going to give him 40, the GAP insurance would cover that extra 10K to pay off the loan. If he only owed 30K on the car, GAP insurance wouldn't kick in.

GAP insurance is generally for those that put little or nothing down on a car to help cover the immediate depreciation hit in case the car is totalled.
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Can't believe this keeps getting more messed up and though GM may have no obligation this is a clear example of when they could be a great mediator and recieve some great PR for assisting a resolution in this matter. Best part is this is this can be classified two ways you have the criminal case because it was theft being the dealership was closed. The car owner should get a new car just from that then the civil case which he could actually come out on top with again. The owner needs to take some intelligent advice sit down with mr. hooper in front of a computer for 20 mins and let him put together his new ZL1 at what he payed for and transfer his loan recouping any discrepancy with the two so that it sits where he is now on payments. Now transfering the loan from a bank is a mess but the financial people at dealerships are jackals when it comes to this stuff s it's not some far out idea.
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GAP insurance covers the difference between what the insurance is paying out on the car and what you still owe on your car loan. So if he owed 50K on his car loan and the insurance was going to give him 40, the GAP insurance would cover that extra 10K to pay off the loan. If he only owed 30K on the car, GAP insurance wouldn't kick in.

GAP insurance is generally for those that put little or nothing down on a car to help cover the immediate depreciation hit in case the car is totalled.
Yes, I know that and so if the OP owed more than his insurance would cover then he'd be whole. We have not been told what the numbers are.



EDIT:

Going back and reading the OP it sounds like he paid for it cash? Trading his 5th Gen and selling a classic Camaro.

So, yes, GAP would not make sense in this case. I was thrown off when he said he's making payments on a Camaro that is wrecked. Probably had to finance a small amount after selling the other two cars.
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GAP insurance covers the difference between what the insurance is paying out on the car and what you still owe on your car loan. So if he owed 50K on his car loan and the insurance was going to give him 40, the GAP insurance would cover that extra 10K to pay off the loan. If he only owed 30K on the car, GAP insurance wouldn't kick in.

GAP insurance is generally for those that put little or nothing down on a car to help cover the immediate depreciation hit in case the car is totalled.
Exactly. GAP will not compensate Mr. Hooper for any equity he has in the car.
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