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Old 01-14-2014, 07:37 AM   #76
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A little late to game, but I put an Elite Catch Can on my car about 120 miles ago. My car has 45k on it. 2010 LS3. I do not by any means drive my car hard. I do get on it occasionally, but not near as much as others on this site. I pulled my catch can down and it was about half full, with a little over 100 miles on it. Does that sound excessive or normal? There was NO hard driving since the catch can was installed as I am also breaking in a brand new differential.
That's about what I am catching per drain every 1000 - 1200 miles consistently for the last 15000 miles. If you had that much blow-by every 100 miles before you added the catch can I'd think you'd have seen it on the dipstick. Have you seen loss of oil on the stick between oil changes?
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:53 PM   #77
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further update

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The new cover came in and I should have done a LOT more research before I pulled the trigger on the new cover. I think I could have repaired the original cover and saved $100. Note how the “ported vent” is bolted to the bottom of the cover. Notice items 908 (bolts) and 909 (ported vent) …………..sure enough it can be resealed.
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A little late to game, but I put an Elite Catch Can on my car about 120 miles ago. My car has 45k on it. 2010 LS3. I do not by any means drive my car hard. I do get on it occasionally, but not near as much as others on this site. I pulled my catch can down and it was about half full, with a little over 100 miles on it. Does that sound excessive or normal? There was NO hard driving since the catch can was installed as I am also breaking in a brand new differential.
376LS3, that is a lot for 120 miles.
it would appear as though you have a valley cover issue. in my (simple) opinion, you have 2 choices; buy a longer hose and connect to the back of the drivers side valve cover. see if there is a difference and if so............then decide if you will continue to run connected to the valve cover or reseal the ported vent on the bottom of the valley cover.
this is the spot i have found myself in. good luck and let us know what you do and the results.
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:35 PM   #79
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376LS3, that is a lot for 120 miles.
it would appear as though you have a valley cover issue. in my (simple) opinion, you have 2 choices; buy a longer hose and connect to the back of the drivers side valve cover. see if there is a difference and if so............then decide if you will continue to run connected to the valve cover or reseal the ported vent on the bottom of the valley cover.
this is the spot i have found myself in. good luck and let us know what you do and the results.
How would I know if I need to reseal? What would I see when I remove the valley cover? If I used the valve cover, would I just cap the valley cover? Thanks for the help!
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Old 01-16-2014, 08:35 AM   #80
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I think it would be tough to know where the seal has failed just by looking.
Thinking out loud here: with the cover off and cleaned, spray some wd40 inside the baffle and see where it comes out at the sealing surface.
Really does not matter though, you will need to remove the baffle, clean off the old sealant and reseal again.
If you switch to the valve cover, you should plug off the port on the valley cover.
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From my build thread:
The new cover came in and I should have done a LOT more research before I pulled the trigger on the new cover. I think I could have repaired the original cover and saved $100. Note how the “ported vent” is bolted to the bottom of the cover. Notice items 908 (bolts) and 909 (ported vent) …………..sure enough it can be resealed.
This is interesting...the "ported vent" (909) I think is Chevy's attempt at an internal catch can. When a new catch can is installed, perhaps the buildup in this internal catch can needs to get vented out before the amount of oil caught stabilizes at lower levels.
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Old 05-16-2014, 03:50 PM   #82
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Ok, time to bump this thread.

Took my ride out just a couple short weeks ago, fresh oil in, using Amsoil 5W-30 Signature series as opposed to the Mobil 1 before, performed a few hard runs....odometer now at 4000km(2500miles).

I'm getting 2-2.5 tablespoons of oil in the catch can, after approximately 60 miles (or 100km's) of constantly getting on it.

I made an appointment with the dealer early next week to bring it in. Hopefully they won't say something like, "your engine is still too new....."

Will update what happens at the dealer, but others please do chime in the meantime.
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I swapped out the valley cover while doing some intake work. I then moved the hose from the driver's valve cover and put back on the NEW valley cover. The amount of oil I catch is now the same as when connected to the valve cover. All fixed.
To be truthful, I did not see anything obviously wrong with the baffle when I took it off. All I know it is now 'fixed'.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:26 PM   #84
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I put an RX can on my L99 when i bought 2 1/2 yrs ago and never collected that much of oil. I got on her quite a bit and still do occasionally and now with my elite i get about 2-3 teaspn every 1k.
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Ok, 8 months later(full winder in between), the moment of truth.
I picked the car up yesterday from the GM dealer. Here was their verdict concerning the oil in can issue. They were no willing to replace the valley cover because...... I'll allow your to read it for yourselves.

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Camaro Dude, have you moved the line from the valley cover to the rear of the driver's side valve cover? if so, was there a difference in the amount of oil in the catch can?

when i switched ports, the volume of oil in my catch can went way down. that's how i convinced myself the problem was the valley cover (actually, ported vent underneath)

truthfully, rerouting the line is easy and does not make any difference to the engine. secondly, as long as you are catching the oil and making sure that the crankcase is not more than a quart low.........the volume collected in the catch can doesn't really matter.
i did not want the longer hose across the top of my engine, so i changed the valley cover.
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I think the PVC system on your car is defective. There is no way your intake manifold should be taking in that much oil. Imagine running like that without a catch can... I would call chev dealers and speak to the service department until one of them will do the work. Slip the guy a $100 if needed.
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I think the PVC system on your car is defective. There is no way your intake manifold should be taking in that much oil. Imagine running like that without a catch can... I would call chev dealers and speak to the service department until one of them will do the work. Slip the guy a $100 if needed.
After I try the above process of elimination step that was mentioned by re routing the hose, I may try one last dealer, as reluctant as I am to go now. It is under new car warranty still after all.

Yeah, the idea of no catch can makes me CRINGE! Imagine had I not proactively installed one, no one including myself would know anything, until 20000km later, when the engine would be gunked up and in dire need of an internal cleaning with chemical solution.
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Camaro Dude, have you moved the line from the valley cover to the rear of the driver's side valve cover? if so, was there a difference in the amount of oil in the catch can?

when i switched ports, the volume of oil in my catch can went way down. that's how i convinced myself the problem was the valley cover (actually, ported vent underneath)

truthfully, rerouting the line is easy and does not make any difference to the engine. secondly, as long as you are catching the oil and making sure that the crankcase is not more than a quart low.........the volume collected in the catch can doesn't really matter.
i did not want the longer hose across the top of my engine, so i changed the valley cover.
I do feel better now with what you wrote.

No I haven't tried this yet, but you have convinced me to do so!
I'll report back with my findings.
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I forgot to update this.

I ended up replacing the valley cover when I did the cam swap.

Now I'm collecting 1 teaspoon of oil in the Elite can every 500km, if I drive really hard that is, as opposed to the half a cup I was collecting before, by that mileage interval.

I'm extremely happy to say the least!

Now I just need to figure out a way, to convince GM (through a dealer who will listen), to reimburse me for the valley cover retail price. I think that is fair???

This is proof in the pudding that some valley covers are indeed defective.

Perhaps Chevrolet Customer Care can step up to the plate here if they read this?
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I didn't read through this thread to see if it was mentioned, but are a lot of you having issues doing a lot of engine braking? (downshifting to slow down) Try cutting back on that and report back on your oil consumption. I guarantee it will be significantly less.
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I didn't read through this thread to see if it was mentioned, but are a lot of you having issues doing a lot of engine braking? (downshifting to slow down) Try cutting back on that and report back on your oil consumption. I guarantee it will be significantly less.
It is a bit less, but I can tell you that I tried everything driving style wise....it was insignificant really. By that I mean, when your catch can is FULL to the brim by 2500km(not miles!!), whether you can reduce it to half a can by changing driving style, really doesn't matter by that point if you can catch my drift.

It was totally unacceptable what I went through, I almost felt like selling the car at one point, before I thought it through, and realized no damage was being done because I had a catch can, lol. My TB and intake were still squeaky clean, you could lick off it still.

Imagine though if I didn't have a can

GM needs to step up to the plate, notify their dealer network of a solid TSB, or even a recall.
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Old 06-19-2015, 04:10 PM   #94
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That's an excessive amount of oil. I drive my car very hard and I have never been anywhere near that. Something is wrong IMO. How did you break the car in? That has a lot to do with blowby, but either way that seems too much at 1600 miles.

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Me too this is the amount I got.
That is about what I get at 1500 miles.
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Camaro Dude, how many ounces was that in your original post? Maybe 4 or 6?

While everyone wants to see little or no oil consumption, I get it. But, I'm not convinced you ever had a "problem." Think about it, GM is saying 1 qt (32 oz) in 2000 miles -- and that is if not driven hard and after the engine is sufficiently broken in.

So, you collected no more than a 1/4 qt (8 oz) in 1500 miles while running hard on a new engine, no? Unless you had to add 2 qts of oil in that time, i.e. you were losing oil via other routes than just the catch can, I'm not sure it was ever a real concern. You just need to empty your catch can more
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I can speak for Camarodude because we are friends and I told him to change his valley cover.
He changed it this spring and now the catch can is pretty much empty after hundreds of miles driven.
Problem fixed. It was a faulty baffle in the Valley Cover.
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My catch can was filling up quickly and discovered that it was my aftermarket Holley valve covers causing the issue.

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I can speak for Camarodude because we are friends and I told him to change his valley cover.
He changed it this spring and now the catch can is pretty much empty after hundreds of miles driven.
Problem fixed. It was a faulty baffle in the Valley Cover.
I think the point of Camarotobe was only that, in the end, GM says 32 oz per 2000 miles is "normal." I know many don't believe them, but that does seem to be a standard in the industry.

So, the 4 oz or so in Camarodude's can in 1500 miles wasn't quite as shocking as it might have seemed by the pictures. Unless he's losing oil elsewhere. The dipstick is probably a better indicator of a problem, i.e. did he lose more than 3/4 qt (24 oz) over that 1500 miles?.

I'm glad he has fixed his concerns.
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I can speak for Camarodude because we are friends and I told him to change his valley cover.
He changed it this spring and now the catch can is pretty much empty after hundreds of miles driven.
Problem fixed. It was a faulty baffle in the Valley Cover.
Indeed, you did always insist, and constantly pester me if I ordered and installed the new valley cover, and I did procrastinate, lol.

I always suspected it was faulty, but you drove it home to me.

Interesting, how we both have the same year Camaro, our mileage on the odometer has always been practically identical, almost like a mirror lol, we BOTH have ELITE catch cans, and you would not collect anything hardly, and I'd have to empty mine out!

Glad all is back to normal, let's meet when you install those new mags on!



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Camaro Dude, how many ounces was that in your original post? Maybe 4 or 6?

While everyone wants to see little or no oil consumption, I get it. But, I'm not convinced you ever had a "problem." Think about it, GM is saying 1 qt (32 oz) in 2000 miles -- and that is if not driven hard and after the engine is sufficiently broken in.

So, you collected no more than a 1/4 qt (8 oz) in 1500 miles while running hard on a new engine, no? Unless you had to add 2 qts of oil in that time, i.e. you were losing oil via other routes than just the catch can, I'm not sure it was ever a real concern. You just need to empty your catch can more
A lil' analogy here if I may, to see if I can understand what some of you are trying to say here.

If the "accepted standard" for the average human being's white blood cell count is, 4.0-11.0 x10^9/L, and yours is say, right smack on the borderline, you may say to yourself, "cool I'm good!"

But someone like myself will dig in deeper, and discover say for example's sake, a small teeny tiny infection in the upper gum near the root, so small, but significant nonetheless, and thanks to a friend dentist, will confirm it, FIX THE PROBLEM and 1 month later, lo and behold, the white blood cell count drops right in the middle of that grid of "accepted norms", even if it was "normal" to begin with.

Now, tell me, if your valve cover gaskets are slightly sweating/leaking, oil filter gasket on too tight, hence leaking a bit as well, hell, even your valley cover is defective, throw that in the mix as a trio .... but your piston rings and seals are TIGHT, do you think that your oil consumption level will surpass the "acceptable numbers" that most of today's auto manufacturers abide by to the end user? OF COURSE NOT!!! Will you fix the sweating gaskets even if your oil consumption is still deemed OK???? I'll leave that answer up to the individual to answer for themselves.

Does this mean we should just turn a blind eye to everything, to all of those little problems I just listed, just because the end result conveniently fits neatly right in with what is deemed acceptable? C'mon now, please don't kill me, lol.

I think at the expense of insulting anyones intelligence, or what little of it seems to be around in this world as of late (I'm not including you, just sayin' ), I think that a little common sense goes a long way.

Ok, back to the initial question of how much oil you see in my first initial post on page 1. FORGET asking the question if it's 4 ounces or 6 or 5 or 7....the fact of the matter is, that can was FULL TO THE BRIM! Meaning, due to the nature of the design of that can, you will have half an inch of space on the top, it cannot get any more full than you see.

Based on my data of collection after the fact, I estimate that the catch can was full to the BRIM waaaaaay before the 2500km mark! In fact, I think the can was full at no more than 1500km!

Some of you ask, well what about the dipstick readings? Well for starters, today, as I type this, my car now has a total of 11000km's. Do the math, I don't log anywhere near enough mileage, over a short enough period of time that is, to be able to use the dipstick as a proper apparatus, to measure the oil consumption.

Secondly, as I stated already before, valley cover leaks will never constitute a significant enough oil loss, to measure on the stick, which leads me once again to the latter point, and will once again, drive the point home, and that is, let's not hide our heads in the sand, behind the numbers game, and be ignorant to things that may in fact be broken?

For all practical purposes, the valley cover was "broken", and now it was fixed. From constantly having to empty my can, literally almost after every drive out, now I never do. The catch can was collecting oil, even if I'd go out for a drive with cruise control on and not one WOT run! That would vary from 1 teaspoon per night out, to as much as 3 tablespoons per drive out, depending on usage style. Now, there is practically nothing collecting in the can.

Interestingly enough, before, all that oil in the can actually looked somewhat new! Now, the little bit that is collecting after the new valley cover installation, is thick and more black. Now this is what I want to see funny enough.

Trust me, the engine didn't suddenly say to itself, overnight, right after I swapped in the new cam and valley cover, "ok dude, I'm now broken in now " with an evil laughter to boot towards me.

A final note I'd like to make clear here, to anyone reading this, is that installed the catch can when that engine was almost bone cold brand new. It's not like oil collection was sliiiiightly reducing itself over time, as I approached todays 11000km mark figure on the odometer. In fact, dare I say, it got worse!

All is good now with the new valley cover in. I hope this entire thread helps someone else out, I'm convinced there are a few bad batches of valley covers out there. IF you want the "normal oil consumption numbers" to mask and overshadow something that is broken, aside from the fact that I fail to see what one has to do with the other, this is entirely up to the end user to decide for themselves.

As for GM stepping up to the plate, I won't rant, this_is_not_a_rant, I'm way beyond that now .
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