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Old 01-23-2014, 03:09 PM   #528
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Lowdown, have you started that thread yet
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:20 PM   #529
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When I was a youngen, a few decades ago, my mother told me to "look in the dictionary" when I'd ask her "how to spell" a word. In this case, I've supplied the "dictionary"...which was only a few posts above.
I count (from your post) 77.9LB per car hence my ask for details on 40lb per corner re unsprung weight. BTW ZL1 can be purchased with stock wheels that are 12lb lighter each (not the Z/28 wheels but ZL1 specific ones offered from a factory). This would make the Z/28 unsprung mass about 30lb lighter than a ZL1 in total, if one sprung for optional wheels vs standard. Unless my 77.9LB total is incorrect?
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:25 PM   #530
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I count (from your post) 77.9LB per car hence my ask for details on 40lb per corner re unsprung weight. BTW ZL1 can be purchased with stock wheels that are 12lb lighter each (not the Z/28 wheels but ZL1 specific ones offered from a factory). This would make the Z/28 unsprung mass about 30lb lighter than a ZL1 in total, if one sprung for optional wheels vs standard. Unless my 77.9LB total is incorrect?
Actually, it's greater than that. First of all, GM's Curb rating is based on Base car, not "optioned" - up OR down. And, of course, MRC, for all is actual electro-mechanical marvels, is HEAVY...much heavier than the Multimatics, including wiring and controller (and NO, I don't have a precise measure of that difference, but someone may offer an idea). But the difference IN TOTAL (Base-to-Base) is nearly 40lb/corner...

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Old 01-23-2014, 04:24 PM   #531
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Actually, it's greater than that. First of all, GM's Curb rating is based on Base car, not "optioned" - up OR down. And, of course, MRC, for all is actual electro-mechanical marvels, is HEAVY...much heavier than the Multimatics, including wiring and controller (and NO, I don't have a precise measure of that difference, but someone may offer an idea). But the difference IN TOTAL (Base-to-Base) is nearly 40lb/corner...
If we are talking UNsprung mass, the only thing that can affect the base to base comparo is ZL1 optional wheels (which account for circa 48lb reduction of its unsprung mass, per car). There are no other options to consider in either car that would qualify. I also can't imagine the unsprung mass would differ by 160lb per car between them two. If that were to be correct, than 160 + 140 lighter motor would account for the TOTAL 300lb curb weight difference. Given they've reduced weight of other components (rear seat for example was 40+ lbs alone plus thinner rear window, lighter seats, no fog lamps, etc) this leaves me confused as to what you're suggesting.
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Almost 40 lb/corner, sprung and unsprung weight savings, IS very consequential...


At the OEM level of detail, I think you'll find that Stielow et al have really "sweat the small stuff"...
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If we are talking UNsprung mass, the only thing that can affect the base to base comparo is ZL1 optional wheels (which account for circa 48lb reduction of its unsprung mass, per car). There are no other options to consider in either car that would qualify. I also can't imagine the unsprung mass would differ by 160lb per car between them two. If that were to be correct, than 160 + 140 lighter motor would account for the TOTAL 300lb curb weight difference. Given they've reduced weight of other components (rear seat for example was 40+ lbs alone plus thinner rear window, lighter seats, no fog lamps, etc) this leaves me confused as to what you're suggesting.
The sprung AND unsprung weight differential, Base-to-Base per corner, approaches 40 lb. Wheels-tires-suspension-brakes.

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The sprung AND unsprung weight differential, Base-to-Base per corner, approaches 40 lb. Wheels-tires-suspension-brakes.

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I get it now - thanks!
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And lest we forget: thanks to the Z/28, a ZL1 can now be driven off a GM dealer lot with Recaro seats and Z/28 rims/rubber

Perhaps you could share the source of the "fact" you can now order a ZL1 with Z/28 19" wheels and tires?!
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Perhaps you could share the source of the "fact" you can now order a ZL1 with Z/28 19" wheels and tires?!
"Now" as in "now that the Z/28 is here". I am expecting dealers to stock parts as they do for all cars they sell. And if not, being able to order them and install them on a Camaro of my choice (assuming they fit).
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"Now" as in "now that the Z/28 is here". I am expecting dealers to stock parts as they do for all cars they sell. And if not, being able to order them and install them on a Camaro of my choice (assuming they fit).
I doubt you would want to pay dealer prices for them to add to another Camaro. I bet they will be very expensive, you would be better off buying aftermarket.
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"Now" as in "now that the Z/28 is here". I am expecting dealers to stock parts as they do for all cars they sell. And if not, being able to order them and install them on a Camaro of my choice (assuming they fit).
Again, as the picker of nits as you've turned out to be, I'm sure you'd want to have that *disclaimer* CLEARLY cited so as NOT to confuse us Camaro comrades with the incorrect notion that such an option exists on the OEM order form.

Taking your notion to its logical extension, I guess we can get that Chev dealer to supply us with a Z/28.R as well. Only VIN'd and rustproofed/Scotchgarded, too...

I doubt Paul Sadlon will have a host of Z/28 rolling stock hanging from the Parts dep't rafters...
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I doubt you would want to pay dealer prices for them to add to another Camaro. I bet they will be very expensive, you would be better off buying aftermarket.
He's accustomed to paying BMW prices for things. GM's prices will be a bloody rare treat.
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He's accustomed to paying BMW prices for things. GM's prices will be a bloody rare treat.
LOL, I remember back when I had to replace two chrome 18" wheels on my Saturn Sky, it was $1500 just for the two of them, thank God that my insurance covered them.
I kept one of them and made an end table out of it for my den.
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He's accustomed to paying BMW prices for things. GM's prices will be a bloody rare treat.
Never owned a Bimmer. Extremely satisfied C5 Z06 owner here. Considering new purchase choices. Hence I am here. Not motivated by flashy slogans or gushy marketing. Don't like koolaid. Hence I am here. But I am starting to get a feeling I am at a wrong place...
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I doubt you would want to pay dealer prices for them to add to another Camaro. I bet they will be very expensive, you would be better off buying aftermarket.
Totally agree. Just making a point what can be purchased from GM dealer vs aftermarket for the purpose of comparing the 2 cars. I would have to be nuts to pay the dealer prices for rims not to mention tires!
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Again, as the picker of nits as you've turned out to be, I'm sure you'd want to have that *disclaimer* CLEARLY cited so as NOT to confuse us Camaro comrades with the incorrect notion that such an option exists on the OEM order form.

Taking your notion to its logical extension, I guess we can get that Chev dealer to supply us with a Z/28.R as well. Only VIN'd and rustproofed/Scotchgarded, too...

I doubt Paul Sadlon will have a host of Z/28 rolling stock hanging from the Parts dep't rafters...
You mean I have to have a disclaimer about expecting a dealer to carry/be able to order spare parts for a z/28?! Let's be serious and if you doubt dealers won't have key Z/28 parts on hand, then folks better not dream about taking their cars to a track. But I am sure the GM/dealer supply chain is smarter than that.
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Chevy Performance isn't Summit, but they absolutely want to be in the aftermarket parts business with parts out of production inventory. Oh wait, Becky and Maureen are already doing that at Rogers Chevrolet.
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Indeed, Pete, Rodgers will get you want you want/need in a flash. A "supplier of choice".
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