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View Poll Results: The wife says get a Vette, what should I do?
Keep the 1LE, it is awesome and makes the most sense. 45 18.07%
Live the dream, get the Stingray before time runs out. 162 65.06%
Sell the the house and all the cars and live in a trailer in Key West. 42 16.87%
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:59 AM   #101
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Get the house it (usually) gains value while the car losses value. House on water is also in my bucket list. i want pond front love bass fishing.

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Camaro 1LE + Corvette C7 - Camaro 1LE = Corvette C7

Camaro 1LE + House = Camaro 1LE and House

Corvette C7 < Camaro 1LE and House
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:08 PM   #102
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Thanks! Did I meet you at the Black Friday event?

And BTW, I may have opened a possibility of buying my river dream house instead of the Corvette. It has a three car garage (!) and needs a lot of work. Fixing it up would be a labor of love. Anyone know a a good electrician that will work in Atlantic county?

There should be another poll option to buy a vacation house instead of a corvette. Same concept.

Dream House > Corvette. This is why I am so undecided. To knock my bucket list down by one it will be Corvette or the house. I spent a lot of time at the house as a kid. To me it is the most peaceful place in the world.

If the house happens I will be installing the 1LE tow hook and heritage grill in the garage this spring. And since the 1LE will be around for a while, I will add a tune.

And in that case molsonbrador I will take your advice. And push off the Corvette for a few more years. It is interesting the "Keep the 1LE" poll option is losing. Buying the Corvette is the runaway choice. I have been reading up on the Stingray. It may be, considering the price, the best performance car in the world.
Yep, we chatted some Black Friday. I was the gray SS...hair to match. The poll results are skewed cuz C7 is THE CAR that has every maker out there crying. Who wouldn't want one? Now you have a dream house in reach? Go for it, they ain't making no more land.
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Get the house it (usually) gains value while the car losses value. House on water is also in my bucket list. i want pond front love bass fishing.

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Camaro 1LE + Corvette C7 - Camaro 1LE = Corvette C7

Camaro 1LE + House = Camaro 1LE and House

Corvette C7 < Camaro 1LE and House
Your equations nailed it!!!! I am working on the house idea, here again it's not really the money, but rather a complex situation involving the family, the wife, the condition of the house, and global warming. But either way I will be driving a very fun car. I am a lucky man.
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Update, if anyone still cares.

The house deal is very iffy and may or may not work out no matter what I end up doing with cars. The big decision I would have to make if I can get past the iffy stuff, is do I want to spend every spare hour for the next two years or more fixing it up. In years past you could just finance the whole thing and you could not go wrong. But those days are over for perhaps a very long time. Thank you Wall Street. So the house part of the equation is out of scope.

Back to the car quandary. I have the financial logistics worked out so the Z51 would be about the same payment as the 1LE. But of course this would mean dumping a good chunk of cash into the deal. I wish I could sell some of the GM stock I owned before the crash, but that's another story. And so I wonder, what do I really want from getting a Stingray? Well owning (arguably) the best sports car on the planet is one thing and I am sure it would be great fun to drive. But the cost of long term ownership (and modding) will be much higher with the Corvette. Will the extra fun be worth all that? How much extra would that be?

The 1LE is already fun and a good chunk of it is paid for. My main thing is it feels a little slow, even though it can do a 12.3 ET. I know the Stingray is faster and that is part of the charm. Both are superlative on a race track, but of course a Z51 will run and hide from just about any 1LE. however I can't see myself at 10/10ths with either car on a race track.

So what is the 1LE missing? Power. How would I fix that? With a centrifugal supercharger. It acts more like a turbo so it is harder to break things. It is lighter than other supercharger types and does not aggravate heat soak. If I do this my goal would be mild, say 525-550 RWHP. With this safe power level low 11s should be attainable. Then later after I pay it off and I still want to get the Stingray, I can put my 1LE back to stock and sell/trade it and sell the bolt-ons. I know I would lose my warranty, but Camaros are so reliable, the drive train warranty is rarely needed.

At that point Stingray fever will have died down and there will be quite a few Z51 trade ins going for the next hottest thing, the new Z06. So there will be discounting on Z51s and there will be used ones floating around.

So the Birthday decision is down to this:
  1. 1LE + SC = Big fun + $$ for later
  2. 1LE + $$ + Z51 - 1LE = Slightly bigger fun maybe - $$ for later

#1 in the lead at the moment. To be continued.
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I have found i prefer leaning on the side of not buying something then buying it if i regret it i can always buy it later. Buyers remorse is the worst getting a new toy only to realize its not much or any better then old toy and it cost you 20 grand oh that would burn my a$$. I bought pool table for my basement tv room 2000 bucks used it few times now its just junk table, its like its laughing at me every time i walk by it.
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I have found i prefer leaning on the side of not buying something then buying it if i regret it i can always buy it later. Buyers remorse is the worst getting a new toy only to realize its not much or any better then old toy and it cost you 20 grand oh that would burn my a$$. I bought pool table for my basement tv room 2000 bucks used it few times now its just junk table, its like its laughing at me every time i walk by it.
That there is good advice.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:08 PM   #108
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My dad got his 2LT Stingray last week

My dad got his 14 Stingray Auto-6 2LT NON-Z51 (grumble grumble) last week after a 13 week wait. (The part constraints are mostly Z51-related outages.). His purchase was in response to my 13 1LE. He sold his Mercedes SLK280 a couple months after driving my 1LE.

He sure as hell one-upped me with the Vette. I put 75 miles on it this past week, and it is a phenomenal ride. As much as I trumpet the aggressive handling of the 1LE, I can call a spade a spade and say the Vette is the way to go. The darn thing even gets better gas mileage even without cylinder deactivation in Eco mode. The better aeros and the 450-ish fewer pounds make a helluva difference. The Z51 bits would only add to my pain.

Go to the Chevy website for the Stingray and you can see comparisons with other selected rides, but you can change one of those rides with our beloved Camaros (albeit without the 1LE package).

I feel incredible satisfaction with my 1LE, but piloting the new Stingray would be my choice if I had the coin.
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You have worked hard all your life go spoil yourself. If if doesn't ruined your finances i would be all over that. You only live once.
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I vote for keeping the 1LE and modding and tinkering with it for fun. The Vette has more prestige yes. There are always nicer cars, nicer houses, etc. How about a Porsche GT3? Wait for the Gen6 Camaro? How about the next GT500 (or will be called GT350) on the new 'Stang chassis?

Your 1LE has speed by the numbers, but from what you are saying you want more pick up. Could 4.11 gears do that?
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My dad got his 14 Stingray Auto-6 2LT NON-Z51 (grumble grumble) last week after a 13 week wait. (The part constraints are mostly Z51-related outages.). His purchase was in response to my 13 1LE. He sold his Mercedes SLK280 a couple months after driving my 1LE.

He sure as hell one-upped me with the Vette. I put 75 miles on it this past week, and it is a phenomenal ride. As much as I trumpet the aggressive handling of the 1LE, I can call a spade a spade and say the Vette is the way to go. The darn thing even gets better gas mileage even without cylinder deactivation in Eco mode. The better aeros and the 450-ish fewer pounds make a helluva difference. The Z51 bits would only add to my pain.

Go to the Chevy website for the Stingray and you can see comparisons with other selected rides, but you can change one of those rides with our beloved Camaros (albeit without the 1LE package).

I feel incredible satisfaction with my 1LE, but piloting the new Stingray would be my choice if I had the coin.

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Wow, I have worked hard and will do so for years to come. I do deserve it.
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I vote for keeping the 1LE and modding and tinkering with it for fun. The Vette has more prestige yes. There are always nicer cars, nicer houses, etc. How about a Porsche GT3? Wait for the Gen6 Camaro? How about the next GT500 (or will be called GT350) on the new 'Stang chassis?

Your 1LE has speed by the numbers, but from what you are saying you want more pick up. Could 4.11 gears do that?
I like Porsches but owning one can be very expensive. A new GT3 is way out of my range, but yea, that's my favorite. I like the Stingray, not really for prestige but for all the HiPo tech and big Corvette improvements. I just know I would dig owning one.

But like you said tinkering is fun. I would do the same with the Z51. And I think the Stingray may be US high performance water mark for a few years. So the 6th gen Camaro and future GT 350 I am sure will be improvements over the 1LE. I am not sure either will match the Stingray. I am looking into FI so speed will not be a problem if I go that way.
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What a tough choice! I could see both sides. 1LE is a very special car. I'm sure you probably don't care about exclusivity, but I'm sure, in time, Stingrays will be out in droves compared to the 1LE. I don't know if you plan on keeping the Stingray if you get it, but I've always had a certain respect for people who get a car and keep it forever. It just shows a real appreciation for the car. I'll admit I haven't been one of those guys, but I really see myself staying with my 1LE for a VERY long time, even with the 6th gen soon approaching. Just a thought.

Also, if you do decide to go with the Stingray, I would wait for the 2015, with your love of tracking. That new video system they recently debuted will be available then, and although I'm sure you could just use a GoPro or something similar, the program from GM sounds like it will be light years ahead of anything aftermarket.
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What a tough choice! I could see both sides. 1LE is a very special car. I'm sure you probably don't care about exclusivity, but I'm sure, in time, Stingrays will be out in droves compared to the 1LE. I don't know if you plan on keeping the Stingray if you get it, but I've always had a certain respect for people who get a car and keep it forever. It just shows a real appreciation for the car. I'll admit I haven't been one of those guys, but I really see myself staying with my 1LE for a VERY long time, even with the 6th gen soon approaching. Just a thought.

Also, if you do decide to go with the Stingray, I would wait for the 2015, with your love of tracking. That new video system they recently debuted will be available then, and although I'm sure you could just use a GoPro or something similar, the program from GM sounds like it will be light years ahead of anything aftermarket.
Yes, waiting is the smartest option. C7s will hit the used market and get cheaper. And staying with the 1LE is no penalty box. I can see why it is a keeper. Really only 2 negatives, visibility and the weight. Still exploring the FI option. My reservation there is I have seen owners having trouble handling too much power. And I remember from my last bike, a C14, where else besides a track can you use a 10 second vehicle? And I may have to get a cage if I go too crazy.
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Oh man do not go to the dealer. I did yesterday luckily they were closed but they have 20-30 new stingrays in there. They are amazing looking up close going by Wednesday to look at those and test drive 1LE. see if i can test drive a vette I hope they don't let me or i might end up buying or ordering one.
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Yes, waiting is the smartest option. C7s will hit the used market and get cheaper. And staying with the 1LE is no penalty box. I can see why it is a keeper. Really only 2 negatives, visibility and the weight. Still exploring the FI option. My reservation there is I have seen owners having trouble handling too much power. And I remember from my last bike, a C14, where else besides a track can you use a 10 second vehicle? And I may have to get a cage if I go too crazy.
This is the most logical idea. You have a car to drive that is very cool and you love. So play the waiting game and enjoy your 1LE.
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This is the most logical idea. You have a car to drive that is very cool and you love. So play the waiting game and enjoy your 1LE.
Yes, still working on this. I sat in a C7 at the Philly Car Show and I fit perfectly. I also am talking to Chris at ECS about adding a centrifugal. He thought a cam might suit me better but agreed it would be harder to return to stock with a cam. Over all if I sell the SC later used, the SC would be cheaper overall than trying to return a cammed car back to stock. Unless I start breaking things.

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Keep the 1LE, buy a nice low mile C6 Corvette - have both cars and wait for used C7 drop in price. You will have the best of both worlds.
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Go for the C7 but keep in mind if you plan on any mods in the future, the "Corvette Tax" comes into play - meaning any aftermarket part made for the Corvette, is always more expensive than the same part made for a Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger.
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Go for the C7 but keep in mind if you plan on any mods in the future, the "Corvette Tax" comes into play - meaning any aftermarket part made for the Corvette, is always more expensive than the same part made for a Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger.
Good point. After watching videos of 1LEs dusting Mustangs and C6es on a road track the 1LE is looking good. (Not all C6es of course).

I need to keep saying to myself "Beware the Corvette Tax" over and over. But even Camaro mods are more expensive than others. There is even a bit of a "Camaro 5th gen tax".

Two local speed shops are trying to dissuade me from the Stingray. One has a no tax $2k cam install/tune with an upgraded valve train and another is giving me a break on a full centrifugal install/tune. Decisions, decisions! But all good.
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So I was visiting my uncle who is 88 and lives alone to give him a hand with things and break up his boredom. We ended up watching the Kerbeck show. A nonstop Kerbeck commercial with a sweet Miss NJ honey to keep you watching. I am sure that is why my uncle watches.

Kerbeck of AC is one of the biggest Corvette dealers in the area and right now they have about 40+ C7s in stock. I have never driven any Corvette let alone a C7, so why not. I drove over to Kerbecks knowing my 1LE would not represent well having a CAI and LTs. It did not.

Right now Kerbeck will sell you a Z51 for list or any other Stingray for $2K off. It is amazing how many they have. Since they had only had one Coupe Z51, a 3LT at almost $70K, I set my sights on a Base 1LT with the only option being a class roof. Most of the Stingrays had chrome wheels, this one did not. It was red and listed for $53K and looked stunning. Sitting in the showroom with 20 other C7s it was very hard to see why the 3LT coupe next to it was $15K more. The 1LT is very well equipped, and unless you really have to have the HUD and nicer upholstery I don’t think the extra money as money well spent.

So we went for a drive. The red 1LT was parked in so we went for a ride in an identical white 1LT out in the lot. Some impressions:
  • The C7 is harder to get in and out of than the Camaro (Doh! Of course). 1LE +1
  • The C7 will not fit big guys. My salesmen was 6'6" and a 6'3" guy at the auto show both had their knees against the dash with the seat all the way back. I had been warned about this. I am 6' but have short legs for my height and I fit great. 1LE +1
  • The C7 is tight. You feel squished in the car. If you are claustrophobic this is not the car for you. But like the terrible visibility in the C7 Camaro, you can get used to it if you fit I think. Spoiler Alert: When I left Kerbecks in my 1LE I felt much better in my much roomier 1LE. But I also felt like it was too wide. Very weird contrast. 1LE +1/2
  • The 1LT base C7 felt softer and sloppier than my 1lE. While the base car did handle well, it also was comfortable, a good compromise. But this is a performance car! My 1LE suspension is almost stock so it is a fair comparison. What I learned here is although, the 1LT C7 was just as much car as all the other C7s, but it needs to be a Z51 to be compared to a 1LE. My C7 would have to be a Z51. Here I gave the C7 the win because I am sure a Z51 with MRC would feel great and be superior to the 1LE. C7 +1
  • The New LT1 felt great and the 1LT felt a little faster than my 1LE. Only a little faster because I have LTs and a CAI. The 1LT felt torquey but not that far ahead of my modded LS3. Of course the lighter weight helped the 1LT to feel stronger. I know already the LT1 likes mods from seeing shop C7s at Atco so the C7 gets the win here. C7 +1
  • The C7 Interior beats the Camaro Interior hands down. There is very little plastic and even the base C7 interior looks fantastic. The only thing I did not like about the C7 interior was the weird tach display in the middle display screen, sort of like a super DIC. The seats also were great and had better side bolstering than the Camaro. The seats were so good I would not want the C7 Competition seats. C7 +1
  • The engine sounded pretty good for being base but I did hear an NPP C7 Start up and it sounded mean. I would want NPP. But the 1LE sounds sweet too. This one is a tie.
  • As far as looks go the C7 is much better looking in person than in pictures. Even the 1LT with the lame base wheels was much cooler than I expected. But I think from a pure styling standpoint the 1LE is more attractive, although the c& looks even meaner than a 1LE if that is possible. 1LE +1
  • Gas Mileage. Easy win for the C7. C7 + 1
  • While most us of do not consider this, if you are involved in a major accident, you and your passenger would much rather be in a Camaro. 1LE +1

I could go on but I would recommend a drive to make sure you fit and get a feel for the C7. If it is your dream no harm in taking a drive.
The deal they gave me was a no go from the start. They offered me $24K for my 5,000 mile 6 month old 2SS RS 1LE. So I would be crazy to make that deal. The caveat there was my LTs. If I brought the car back to stock then they would go $30K. If I had tuned my car and brought it back to stock they would give me $25K. They checked for a tune.

I am very glad I drove a C7. I now have a much better perspective on my dreams and have concluded at least for now to stick with my 1LE. I also want a C7 a little less and have a greater appreciation for my 1LE. Maybe in the future I might make a switch, but for sure it will be a Z51.

The next day I went to Atco to get a few runs in on a nice day. With the Goodyears on the car I could not get into the 12s and finally left frustrated. Wheelhop was a huge problem on this chilly day. The Goodyears were also very slippery on the road. When the road surface is cold the DRs should be the plan. They stick like glue all the time. Like the car, hate the tires.
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Good solid analysis, Fraxum. I think it would bother me if I didn't get the Z51 too.

And since you're in Z51 territory, you may want to take a look at a new Viper. I don't know if your budget can go this high, but there have been some amazing deals out there on the 2013s on the lot, as low as $85K (usually closer to $90 to $95K for the base model, which kicks ass). There is nothing like 640 HP and 600 Ft Lbs in a 3300 pound beast. I own one, worship it, love it. I'm tracking it at Willow Springs this weekend with about 10 other Vipers. I think maybe my Camaro is faster on the track than the Viper though, with my humungous wing and splitter, LOL. I'll find out this weekend. I also like the new Vettes, but I would personally hold out for a Z06. That is going to be one mean machine.
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Good solid analysis, Fraxum. I think it would bother me if I didn't get the Z51 too.

And since you're in Z51 territory, you may want to take a look at a new Viper. I don't know if your budget can go this high, but there have been some amazing deals out there on the 2013s on the lot, as low as $85K (usually closer to $90 to $95K for the base model, which kicks ass). There is nothing like 640 HP and 600 Ft Lbs in a 3300 pound beast. I own one, worship it, love it. I'm tracking it at Willow Springs this weekend with about 10 other Vipers. I think maybe my Camaro is faster on the track than the Viper though, with my humungous wing and splitter, LOL. I'll find out this weekend. I also like the new Vettes, but I would personally hold out for a Z06. That is going to be one mean machine.
Yea, Vipers are super cool. I have always waned one too. But the the Viper and Z06 are too rich for for me. My daughter is getting married next year and even the 1LT is stretching things.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:59 PM   #125
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Not sure what the obessuon is with the vette. Too me you seem like all you ever talk about or care about is drag racing and power. You won't be driving anything 10/10ths anytime soon so my suggestion would be to dump the 1le for a gt500 or something used.
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