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Old 01-16-2014, 02:47 PM   #35
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So... I'm going to have to take that back.

Apparently, You can get race pads for the V6. Carbotech, and Cobalt Friction both make race pads for the V6.

I spoke with Danny at Carbotech, and he said he would throw on the XP12 pads on front, and the XP8 pads on the rear.

The XP12 pads have a temp range of 250F to 2000F.

I'm now hoping that I won't have to upgrade to the Brembos. I still can't find a good 2-piece rotor, but there are some upgraded rotors available. To my knowledge, no one has tried these high performance pads on the Camaro V6.

2000F is well past the point where steel glows red hot, which is impressive... Hopefully this will provide me with the fade resistance I need.

If I can get away without the Brembo's I can save a substantial amount of money towards better tires or a separate set of rims with track tires. Or more racing instruction.

I'll give it a rip, and report back this spring.
As long as the fluid holds up and the pads still bite the rotors really don't matter if they get hot. I tossed 2 sets of rotors that were full of heat cracks and then the mechanic at the race track told me that just because they look like shattered glass, doesn't effect the performance. My current set of front rotors are full of heat cracks and have done 3 track days without trouble. The paint on my calipers is burned from heat. Just make sure you regularly change the brake fluid and it will save weight and money.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:54 PM   #36
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Get a good full faced helmet snell 2010. Make sure everything is working and tight and snug. Upgrade to dot4 fluid. Check brakes. Need good pads. Of course you can upgrade to ss brembos easily...or other options. Make sure tires are not damaged in any way. Go to track wanting to learn and stay withen your limits and have fun.

I would get good street performance tires...no need to go full bore before you know you wanna do it.
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Old 01-16-2014, 03:20 PM   #37
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Get a good full faced helmet snell 2010. Make sure everything is working and tight and snug. Upgrade to dot4 fluid. Check brakes. Need good pads. Of course you can upgrade to ss brembos easily...or other options. Make sure tires are not damaged in any way. Go to track wanting to learn and stay withen your limits and have fun.

I would get good street performance tires...no need to go full bore before you know you wanna do it.
Helmet is definitely top of my list.

Local place I can get a snell 2010 helmet for around $150. Will change to a good high temp brake fluid before the event.

For tires, I'm either going with the Pirelli's or Pilot Super Sports. I may eventually go to a a seperate set of rims with R-Comps, but not for a few years.

I'm definitely going out there with no delusions of grandeur. I'm going out there to learn how to be a better driver. I've driven with a local guy (who is admittedly quite good), and I know I have a lot to learn! Should be fun!
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:11 PM   #38
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Go with SPCBA's recommendation. Keep it simple at first. There's a very good reason why you shouldn't upgrade your car's performance BEFORE you are comfortably in command of its stock performance. Risk. Yes more power and an upgraded suspension will perform better; especially in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, but in the hands of a novice it's way too easy to start driving faster than your skill level just because the hardware allows it. And then when you find yourself in trouble, you don't have the skill to safely drive your way out of it... and because you're going faster than your skill would have allowed with the stock setup, you're now far more likely to either do serious damage to your car; somebody else's car; and/or injury. Even death.

The faster you're going, the fewer seconds you have to recognize an issue and correct for it. Slower speeds allow for more time to make mistakes and fix them before you hit something. And in the process you're learning what mistakes "feel" like and what to do or not do to fix them. Seat time is more important for you now than car upgrades. Go with SPCBA's recommendation; it's spot on.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:42 PM   #39
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I'm real late to the party :(

2 years ago I took the stock pads off my v6 and put on Carbotech xp8 pads on all 4 corners. I have 2 years of street and track driving on them.
I can stand the little bit of cold squeal
Nothing better than being able to STAND on them at the 200 marker going into 11A and make the turn lap after lap.
I just need to get rid of the pesky 118 mph limiter now that I have better tires

Car works best on tight courses for me that's AMP, Barber, Roebling
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:07 PM   #40
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That's awesome data! Thanks!
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:14 PM   #41
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Just to confirm Jimbow...

You're doing this with the stock V6 Calipers? Not the SS brakes?
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Old 02-13-2014, 03:34 AM   #42
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I had stock SS wheels/tires on my ZL1 when my stock wheels were being painted and I noticed a HUGE difference in handling, I haven't had alot of different experiences besides that but based on that there is a huge difference with a good track/performance tire
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:08 PM   #43
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Just to confirm Jimbow...

You're doing this with the stock V6 Calipers? Not the SS brakes?
Yep, stock v6 brakes.
I've been doing HPDE, Instructing and Time Trials for almost 20 years.

I was at Barber Motorsports Park last weekend.
Brakes - never boiled the fluid
They worked well (I need to check to see if I need new pads before the next event.
Before this event I changed to the RS rims and better tires (500 treadware)
Played a little with pressures, the tires worked better starting at 30psi
When I made a couple laps under 2 min I was happy and done for the weekend (as its set up a bonsai lap would be in the 1:40 range) which would have been a good time trial time. Since I was only instructing that 2 min time is my goal, keeps the tires from squealing at every turn but is quick enough to pass more folks than having folks pass me

I love this car - need to see if someone can remove the speed limiter and then it will be my non-race track car. I have a Corvette for my race car - need to get an engine in it. Maybe the weather gods will shine on me and I can get it ready for May.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:32 PM   #44
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Yep, stock v6 brakes.
I've been doing HPDE, Instructing and Time Trials for almost 20 years.

I was at Barber Motorsports Park last weekend.
Brakes - never boiled the fluid
They worked well (I need to check to see if I need new pads before the next event.
Before this event I changed to the RS rims and better tires (500 treadware)
Played a little with pressures, the tires worked better starting at 30psi
When I made a couple laps under 2 min I was happy and done for the weekend (as its set up a bonsai lap would be in the 1:40 range) which would have been a good time trial time. Since I was only instructing that 2 min time is my goal, keeps the tires from squealing at every turn but is quick enough to pass more folks than having folks pass me

I love this car - need to see if someone can remove the speed limiter and then it will be my non-race track car. I have a Corvette for my race car - need to get an engine in it. Maybe the weather gods will shine on me and I can get it ready for May.
I suspected those brakes would work fine if you had the right pads and the right fluid. I'm fairly certain any good tuner could remove the limiter for you. Just make some calls.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:27 AM   #45
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I suspect that removing the speed limiter might be cause for stepping up a bit with the pads such as from XP8's to XP10's.

But without forced induction, or a pretty high entry speed to the longer straights, or straights effectively a bit longer than half a mile I'm wondering how much past about 120 you're actually going to see.

Your 2012 LS in stock tune runs about the same power as I have in my '08 GT, and I can touch just past 120 at NJMP/Lightning and get slowed enough for T1 to not squeal the tires, and that's with about 2600' to play with coming out of T9. That's a close enough match to what an acceleration sim predicts I need for distance to have some confidence in.

Your LS' brakes are fractionally bigger than mine (but have to deal with a couple hundred lbs or so more weight), and I was feeling some fade with XP8's toward the end of a 25 minute session in 50° weather with two hard braking zones spaced about half a lap apart.


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Old 02-18-2014, 09:04 PM   #46
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I suspect that removing the speed limiter might be cause for stepping up a bit with the pads such as from XP8's to XP10's.

But without forced induction, or a pretty high entry speed to the longer straights, or straights effectively a bit longer than half a mile I'm wondering how much past about 120 you're actually going to see.

Your 2012 LS in stock tune runs about the same power as I have in my '08 GT, and I can touch just past 120 at NJMP/Lightning and get slowed enough for T1 to not squeal the tires, and that's with about 2600' to play with coming out of T9. That's a close enough match to what an acceleration sim predicts I need for distance to have some confidence in.

Your LS' brakes are fractionally bigger than mine (but have to deal with a couple hundred lbs or so more weight), and I was feeling some fade with XP8's toward the end of a 25 minute session in 50° weather with two hard braking zones spaced about half a lap apart.


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Barber - speed limiter not a problem
VIR, Road Atlanta, even CMP and Roebling - Speed limiter :(
VIR Back straight was the first time I saw that silly little message just as I was passing the south paddock, that's a long straight. I was sure I was gonna hit 140 and have to brake real early for the turn at the end.

Yea, when I get the speed limiter removed I'll be calling the good folks at Carbotech for a set of front XP10.
I run xp12/10 right now on my Corvette - I'll probably move to XP16 or 24/XP12 later this year (I think I got the numbers right - don't quote me on that)

I'm a Carbotech guy - especially after the guys in the C5 corvettes were cracking rotors every day using the Hawk DTC compounds
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