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Old 02-11-2014, 05:35 PM   #1
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I think this is an LLT.





444 at the crank 8500 rpm redline... yes 8500. 10.47? That is a small car but that is pretty darn quick. Is this an LLT?
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:45 PM   #3
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If that is what you can do without Di - What can be done with it!
The engine above is tuned with a motec ecu. I spoke with cosworth racing about a pectel ecu for the LLT and they basicly said that I could not afford it, without saying any numbers!!!

I forgot - They also do not have anyone in the USA with the ability to tune a DI anyway. (may be one of their F1 guys back in the UK maybe?)

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Old 02-12-2014, 07:01 AM   #4
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If that is what you can do without Di - What can be done with it!
The engine above is tuned with a motec ecu. I spoke with cosworth racing about a pectel ecu for the LLT and they basicly said that I could not afford it, without saying any numbers!!!

I forgot - They also do not have anyone in the USA with the ability to tune a DI anyway. (may be one of their F1 guys back in the UK maybe?)
I think when hp tuners comes out for the llt we will see things like this. These numbers should be way easier with with the llt and lfx.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:52 PM   #5
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For some reason I just don't see that happening. I could be wrong.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:57 PM   #6
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For some reason I just don't see that happening. I could be wrong.
see what happening?
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:30 PM   #7
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For some reason I just don't see that happening. I could be wrong.
With enough money and backing anything is possible. Though tuning the VVT and DI will make it difficult and more expensive. But saying people aren't going to turn an LLT into a full blown racing engine is unlikely. I'm sure they already have in that place down under.
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see what happening?
Seeing numbers like this out of our LLT's
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With enough money and backing anything is possible. Though tuning the VVT and DI will make it difficult and more expensive. But saying people aren't going to turn an LLT into a full blown racing engine is unlikely. I'm sure they already have in that place down under.
Yes anything is possible with enough money. It's just not a big enough market.
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Yes anything is possible with enough money. It's just not a big enough market.
Indeed, I imagine what we see above is itself a very small market of racers with more money than most of us lol.

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I think when hp tuners comes out for the llt we will see things like this. These numbers should be way easier with with the llt and lfx.
To be realistic, something like over here just aint happening. No ones gonna get behind that, there's not enough market for it. There's a much bigger following behind the aloytec engines in Australia. Second, these are full blown racing engines. I build my own racing engines, the average joe cannot make their LLT crank something like that and afford it. If you think HP tuners alone is enough, sorry charlie. That's just how it is.
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Indeed, I imagine what we see above is itself a very small market of racers with more money than most of us lol.



To be realistic, something like over here just ain't happening. No ones gonna get behind that, there's not enough market for it. There's a much bigger following behind the alloytec engines in Australia. Second, these are full blown racing engines. I build my own racing engines, the average joe cannot make their LLT crank something like that and afford it. If you think HP tuners alone is enough, sorry charlie. That's just how it is.
I don't think hp tuners is enough, but it paves the way for computer tuning, which paves the way for hard part tuning. My lfx is already 323 at the crank from the factory. I am hoping to be atleast 300rwhp with the cam install. WIth cams and a 100 shot I should be very close to high 11's in a HEAVY car. Not NA but but pretty nice for some bolt ons, cams and a tune.
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I don't think hp tuners is enough, but it paves the way for computer tuning, which paves the way for hard part tuning. My lfx is already 323 at the crank from the factory. I am hoping to be atleast 300rwhp with the cam install. WIth cams and a 100 shot I should be very close to high 11's in a HEAVY car. Not NA but but pretty nice for some bolt ons, cams and a tune.
Yeah it is, I'm just looking at it realistically. In the Sprint Car series I run on pavement, we're limited to GM's 305 of the 80's and 90's. Were making about 500hp and 480ft/lb at the crank on pure methanol. Reason I bring that up is at the same time its very much possible to do that to an LLT. The 305 is notorious for being a lame duck in the performance category. Something that people tend to look over. I would love to see an LLT built the same.

Speaking of cams, how are those bad boys coming? I was following the threads but people were hitting a wall with the tuning. I assume they've made more progress?
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Remember the camaro isn't the only car that used the LLT. The market isn't as small as you think.
HPT wouldn't be doing this just for camaro.
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Remember the camaro isn't the only car that used the LLT. The market isn't as small as you think.
HPT wouldn't be doing this just for camaro.
I am aware of how many vehicles use the LLT, GM sticks it in just about everything that they can. What makes it a small market is the lack of aftermarket parts being made for it. There would be many more if there was. I can go anywhere and buy an entire rotating assembly for anything from a gen one to an LS engine. I can buy cams, heads, exhaust etc. for anything I would want to do. You can't do that for an LLT, an engine that's been around since 2006. We are just now getting to the point where we can tune and install a set of cams properly. Lack of parts means lack of interest, that is a small market.
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Yeah it is, I'm just looking at it realistically. In the Sprint Car series I run on pavement, we're limited to GM's 305 of the 80's and 90's. Were making about 500hp and 480ft/lb at the crank on pure methanol. Reason I bring that up is at the same time its very much possible to do that to an LLT. The 305 is notorious for being a lame duck in the performance category. Something that people tend to look over. I would love to see an LLT built the same.

Speaking of cams, how are those bad boys coming? I was following the threads but people were hitting a wall with the tuning. I assume they've made more progress?
I remember the 305. I am not sure about the llt cams, but I know they are making good gains down under on the lfx. I have been waiting for the weather to break to install. I Recently purchased hp tuners and I am still learning. Should not be difficult at all to tune the cams in with the software. Not being able to tune properly was where the llt was hitting the wall. Hp tuners is now test reading and writing ecu's, shouldn't be too much longer until the llt's get some more love.
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I am aware of how many vehicles use the LLT, GM sticks it in just about everything that they can. What makes it a small market is the lack of aftermarket parts being made for it. There would be many more if there was. I can go anywhere and buy an entire rotating assembly for anything from a gen one to an LS engine. I can buy cams, heads, exhaust etc. for anything I would want to do. You can't do that for an LLT, an engine that's been around since 2006. We are just now getting to the point where we can tune and install a set of cams properly. Lack of parts means lack of interest, that is a small market.
I agree, let's just hope we can up the interest with our performance gains...I think the lf3 will help the v6 gain a littler more interest among the general population. Kinda like the old turbo v6 Buick GN and GNX did. The first car I built was a pontiac big block...talk about lack of parts...
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I agree, let's just hope we can up the interest with our performance gains...I think the lf3 will help the v6 gain a littler more interest among the general population. Kinda like the turbo v6 Buick GN and GNX. The first car I built was a pontiac big block...talk about lack of parts...
I was delighted to finally see the LF3 and what they did with it. I'm eagerly awaiting the GN and GNX as well . I never had a chance to work on a Pontiac V8. I work mostly with SB and BB chevy's. Dabble here and there in other stuff. Largely because that's what we're limited to using in most racing series. There's a few that's moved to LS based engines but not many so far.
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I was delighted to finally see the LF3 and what they did with it. I'm eagerly awaiting the GN and GNX as well . I never had a chance to work on a Pontiac V8. I work mostly with SB and BB chevy's. Dabble here and there in other stuff. Largely because that's what we're limited to using in most racing series. There's a few that's moved to LS based engines but not many so far.
One interesting thing is that Pontiacs rotate backwards compared to a chevy. Necessity is the mother of invention. One reason the v6's get more attention down under is their lic. system. Have to be lic. for a v8. I don't know exactly how it works, but I think you have to work your way up to a v8.
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