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Old 02-20-2014, 08:04 AM   #76
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"Can your camber plate be used with any other coilover/shock "
I am investigating that question right now.

Basically our upper mount uses a bearing that has a 0.75" ID.
If your current mount is 0.75" it should work just fine.

The length is specific to our strut, however this is a strut, which is almost 1:1 motion ratio, with 5" of total travel, so a change of +/-0.25" at the mount height will not affect anything.
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Old 02-20-2014, 04:24 PM   #77
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According to the instructions, ride height is adjusted with spring preload. How does one adjust ride height and get the car corner balanced?
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:55 AM   #78
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Corner balance is set up just like any other "traditional" coil over, by adding or removing wedge by increasing or decreasing the preload of the spring.

More important is static weight distribution. You need to physically move weight around the car to get it as balanced as you can (or to whatever your goal is). This is a coarse adjustment where large gains can be made. Corner balancing via the coil over is a fine adjustment that has the downside of changing physical ride height. On a dedicated race car this is typically not a problem as they are only turning one way, or know the turns and amount of travel required. This is much more difficult on a street car where the road is unknown.

When designing our struts we looked at making the lower mount adjustable. Though ride height adjustment independent of spring preload is nice, Fox shot down the idea early on due to concerns of keeping the lower adjuster tight. To design it correctly (meaning if a locking device came loose the strut would not fall apart) required expensive machining and components which would ultimately make the selling price quite a bit higher. So the decision was made pretty early on to keep the "traditional" set up of adjusting vehicle height with spring preload.
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:35 PM   #79
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Approximately how much negative camber and caster can be added with the offset holes. Would it be possible to run a tire friendly alignment setting, then put an aggressive alignment at the track and then return to the street alignment at the end of the day?
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:02 AM   #80
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I'll have to look at the actual numbers on Monday, but the quick answer is YES you can have a very aggressive track setting and a normal street setting.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:39 AM   #81
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What is the travel of these shocks? What spring rates do they come with? What motion ratios did you use to get the spring rates?
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Old 02-25-2014, 02:18 PM   #82
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The front strut uses a 6" travel cartridge. The rear uses a 3.6" stroke shock. The standard rates that come in the kit (which can be swapped to any different rate with no additional cost) are a 275 in/lb in the front and a 500 in/lb in the rear. The motion ratios we used are the same as the factory. The front being a strut is damn near a perfect 1:1 ratio and if memory serves me right the rear is like a 1.5:1 ratio. I don't know that for sure, but I can measure it and find out.
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Old 02-25-2014, 02:47 PM   #83
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For some reason my calculations kept coming up with 0.75:1 for the rear, but I just measured it at 1.59:1 with a 4" stroke.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:51 PM   #84
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For some reason my calculations kept coming up with 0.75:1 for the rear, but I just measured it at 1.59:1 with a 4" stroke.
The stroke of the shock should have nothing to do with the motion ratio. The motion ratio is the mechanical advantage (lever ratio) that the wheel has over the spring in compressing it. It can get a little confusing when expressing it as a ratio. Basically, you will measure from the control arm pivot point to the shock mount We'll call that dimension A. Then, you will measure from that same pivot to the ball joint. Or, in the case of a rear suspension, the upright pivot. We'll call that dimension B. If you divide dimension A by dimension be it will give you a decimal. Let's say from your pivot to the shock mount is 5" and from your pivot to your ball joint is 10". If you divide 5 by ten, you come up with .5. This is expressed as a 2:1 ratio. For every two inches the wheel moves, the shock only moves an inch. Hope this helps.
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No, I get it. I didn't know if there was a rising or falling rate so I mentioned the 4" stroke of the shock I'm using as I will obviously measure more wheel travel.
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Well seems like you guys better make twice as many as you had planned. You get Pfadts sales now by default. Good time to release these then. No Pedders and No Pfadt...

I hope these are as good as they seem like they will be.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:00 PM   #87
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I wonder if there will be a group buy? :group hug:
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Well seems like you guys better make twice as many as you had planned. You get Pfadts sales now by default. Good time to release these then. No Pedders and No Pfadt...

I hope these are as good as they seem like they will be.
There was a LOT of R&D that went into the development of these CoilOvers, so it's not just hype. I'm not a big fan of getting the sales by default. I would have much rather seen our product as the go to coil over because they truly are the best one on the market.
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There was a LOT of R&D that went into the development of these CoilOvers, so it's not just hype. I'm not a big fan of getting the sales by default. I would have much rather seen our product as the go to coil over because they truly are the best one on the market.
Believe me I'm convinced you guys worked hard to get these the way you wanted them. As far as sales by default... a sale is a sale is a sale.

One question though. Is there any reason why you didn't use an inverted design? I really liked that about the Pfadts.

Also before today's events I was looking hard at your product. I was waiting to see what people thought of them.

I'm looking to get a set in a couple of months, so there would be plenty of time for reviews to come out.

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Well seems like you guys better make twice as many as you had planned. You get Pfadts sales now by default. Good time to release these then. No Pedders and No Pfadt...

I hope these are as good as they seem like they will be.
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There was a LOT of R&D that went into the development of these CoilOvers, so it's not just hype. I'm not a big fan of getting the sales by default. I would have much rather seen our product as the go to coil over because they truly are the best one on the market.
Sometimes you end up gaining from the misfortune of others and it is a strange position to be in. Companies like RideTech and BMR are in the middle of exactly that right now. However, having personal and professional hands on experience with the products from both of those companies I can say that their products stand on their own. Options may be fewer today than they were a couple months ago, but the 5th Gen Camaro community still has outstanding suspension and chassis products available from companies that have stood the test of time.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:27 PM   #91
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Believe me I'm convinced you guys worked hard to get these the way you wanted them. As far as sales by default... a sale is a sale is a sale.

One question though. Is there any reason why you didn't use an inverted design? I really liked that about the Pfadts.

Also before today's events I was looking hard at your product. I was waiting to see what people thought of them.

I'm looking to get a set in a couple of months, so there would be plenty of time for reviews to come out.

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There is no need to wait. You can order them today on the RideTech website. http://www.ridetech.com/store/2010-u...hq-series.html
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There is no need to wait. You can order them today on the RideTech website. http://www.ridetech.com/store/2010-u...hq-series.html

Your endorsement helps but, my wallet is making me wait just a couple of minutes Pete... lol

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Your endorsement helps but, my wallet is making me wait just a couple of minutes Pete... lol

Damn I need to win the lotto...
You won the 425 million last week. Oops. Was that supposed to be a secret?
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Believe me I'm convinced you guys worked hard to get these the way you wanted them. As far as sales by default... a sale is a sale is a sale.

One question though. Is there any reason why you didn't use an inverted design? I really liked that about the Pfadts.

Also before today's events I was looking hard at your product. I was waiting to see what people thought of them.

I'm looking to get a set in a couple of months, so there would be plenty of time for reviews to come out.

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One our So Cal Race Team guys, 90503, just got a set from JDP and will be installing them soon, so I'm sure he will post up his opinion after he gets them on and at the track...
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You won the 425 million last week. Oops. Was that supposed to be a secret?
I wish... then again that person was in Cali. I would probably lose my mind over there. The Republican is strong in me. LoL

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One our So Cal Race Team guys, 90503, just got a set from JDP and will be installing them soon, so I'm sure he will post up his opinion after he gets them on and at the track...
I'll be keeping an eye out thanks for the heads up.

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Old 02-26-2014, 08:20 AM   #98
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I apologize I have not yet listed the camber/caster numbers. I had to run out of town at the last minute. I'll do what I can to get those numbers up ASAP.
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Old 02-26-2014, 04:05 PM   #99
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I said RideTech was high quality and they are. Their new Camaro coilovers excellant, but RideTech is not perfect

The clamp in upper mount is an excellent design and requires no modification to the strut tower. The camber plates I designed require three holes be drilled and the center hole in the strut tower relived toward the engine for maximum adjustment. The dual bearing setup on your already installed camber plates uses a banded thrust washer for rotation / steering and a spherical for strut articulation. The plates provide two degrees of negative camber adjustment and there is an additional 2 to 2.5 available at the knuckle. Leaning the struts in to maximum negative and adjusting out camber at the knuckle provides and increase in SAI.

Combine the benefits of the camber plates with an increase in caster by slotting the OE factory radius arm holes and we are talking about significant improvement. You can use OEM rear camber bolts for caster adjustment.

The RideTech coilovers use 2.5" ID Hyperco coils. My camber plates are compatible with any 2.5" ID coil and all 5th Gen coilovers that have a strut shaft threaded OD compatible with the OEM mount which is ALL the available coilovers for the 5th Gen.

The RideTech mounts are a very good design and will meet the needs of most 5th Gen coilover buyers. I prefer my camber plates. That doesn't make me right and is nothing more than an opinion.
So Pete, these Ridetechs are compatible with your camber plates if I understand correctly.

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Old 02-26-2014, 04:26 PM   #100
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^^Patiently waiting on the answer to that too Bull...

If you can get to yours and measure the inner diameter and it is .75 then they should fit.

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