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Old 02-21-2014, 08:36 AM   #15
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If you don't like turbos you definately will not like centris.
I don't know of any turbo kit available for the 5 Gen that has any lag to speak of. Lag is history with today's turbos.
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I also thought i would never go turbo. Loved my D1SC but I grew out of it. On a well thought out TT system there is NO lag. This lag issue is internet lore

OP, it sounds like a basic Maggie setup is where you want to be. Low mounted turbos would not be real good if caught in a torrential downpour on a long trip.
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:08 AM   #16
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I am trying to figure out what supercharger I should go with and every time I think I have one picked out I hear something negative that makes me second guess myself. I know I don't want turbos, just not a fan of turbo lag so turbo fans enjoy, but not for me. What are positives and negatives of SLP's, Whipple's, Magnachargers, and Edelbrock's kits? Which posts more power, if any over the other? Do any really require aftermarket pieces to operate and not destroy the engine, transmission, and/or rear end? Also, how about tech support? If I screw something up or something breaks, who has the best service to get me back on the road scaring little children and angering old people sooner? Finally, who has the best bang for the buck?
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Yes Sir Imagine that there are so many Charger kits and they are ALL So Good it makes the Decision Harder than ever.

I suppose it is human nature to look for negatives and let them outweigh the Positives.

People will point out what they don't like and try and convince you to go with what they have or like.

Honestly there are NO Real Negatives to Any of them, you have to Decide Which One you Like Best.

We have installed and Tuned every Charger Kit on the Market Multiple times and have nothing bad to say about any of them.

One thing you have to get straight is 8 PSI of Boost Is 8 PSI of boost and will make the same Power regardless of which brand you choose.

Centrirugal and PD blowers have different Boost Curves which separates them in the Lower RPM Ranges.

The PD blowers always Feel Stronger around town which is where the Majority of People Enjoy They're Cars.

These Cars are Heavy and Benefit from the Big Low End torque to get them moving.

A Drag Race and Road Race Applications can Benefit from the Stronger Top End and efficiency of a Centrifugal Supercharger and the Air To Air intercoolers.

Again More Tough Choices

When it comes to the PD choices SLP, Magnacharger, Edelbrock are all 2300s the Whipple is 2900 so it has more Potential for big power and future Growth,

The Whipple when spun slow for 8 psi boost applications lacks low end torque compared to the 2300 spinning a little faster to make the same 8 psi boost.

The 2300 will make 8 psi at 2200 rpm and the Whipple will make it at 3200 rpm for comparison.

At 8 PSI with Headers and CAI, any of the blowers will make 560 RWHP on LS3 and 505 RWHP on L99s,

The stock drivetrain parts handles this power Very well until you start Racing, then small upgrades are recommended starting in the Rear with suspension and axles.

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Old 02-21-2014, 09:28 AM   #17
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I have a Procharger on my car and have it set up very aggressively it's very street mannered below 3600 rpm quite can't tell I have it. When I get on it past that rpm threshold it's sounds like a 105mm turbo sucking in the ozone. That's kind of how I know most Prochargers to be they're great for drag racing but for you I would go with Maggie or some scroll type, I love turbos and wish I could have went that route but with the deal I got on this system and turbos going for 7500 plus it's not a reasonable option unless you can build your own system, which is what I'm going to do after I get tired of this.
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Sounds like a Maggie is in your future!
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:36 AM   #19
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All those PD numbers are crank. the 599 eforce/etc. Most do upper 400s on a stock l99 car.

A turbo kit on a stock l99 car has done 700rwhp and can be turned down, no headers, pulleys, cam, cold airs, etc. Small turbos have full boost at 2k and make way more torque but if you don't want that, I would get a whipple, nice headers, cold air, 8 rib kit, fuel system, injectors, etc. Probably going to run $11-13k but it would be a fun car.
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:39 AM   #20
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All those PD numbers are crank. the 599 eforce/etc. Most do upper 400s on a stock l99 car.

A turbo kit on a stock l99 car has done 700rwhp and can be turned down, no headers, pulleys, cam, cold airs, etc. Small turbos have full boost at 2k and make way more torque but if you don't want that, I would get a whipple, nice headers, cold air, 8 rib kit, fuel system, injectors, etc. Probably going to run $11-13k but it would be a fun car.
No doubt AGP Kits are Bad to the bone
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:42 AM   #21
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The Maggie is THE blower for the 5th gen IMO. It is perfect for what your looking for.My wifes auto vert puts nearly 500 to the tire with headers and the Maggie only.She drives it an hr each way to work every day and I take it to the track every once in a while and run high 11s on the 22s. I can help you out with a great price and the extra things you may need with it...
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:28 AM   #22
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I like my SS LS3 to look like Chevrolet built it that way, so I picked the Edelbrock E-Force S/C. The E-Force and Maggie make about the same power, but I liked the looks of the E-Force better. Mine is strictly a street car, so I don't need maximum HP. 546/rwhp & 522/rwtq is enough for me for the street. I have also up graded the fuel system, rear suspension and axles. I had a safe dyno tune just for safety. The S/C has been on for 3 1/2 years and 25,500 miles with no problems at all. Still gets 24.5/mpg on a trip.

Your choice should be what you a comfortable with.
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:55 AM   #23
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hrpiii, thanks for the info! The longest trip I've taken my Camaro on, straight through, was a 15 hour trip from PA to MO to visit the family and I wanted to make sure that it would still be able to make that trip. What suspension mods have you done to handle that power? Also, how have you liked your Solo setup? I was going to buy one for my G8, but never got the chance. I assume you went cat back and not just axle back?
Love my Solo, they are cat back. I have Pedders subframe inserts, Pfadt trailing arms, BMR toe rods, Pfadt endlinks along with Pfadt lowering springs. Zero issues with the long drives, and this was July 4th weekend, through the mountains (Indy to east coast NC). I have had several 3-4 hours drives up to MI for shows/events and enjoyed every one. One trip back MI, me and another member here, kept it rolling about 90 mph for over 100 miles, that was fun Never had any heat issues. The only suspension I want to make now is new halfshafts. (Gforce) I think that is probably my weak link now (as far as putting it down the track). As far as street use, I would not have any issues with anything else on the car.

With a supercharger, you will need to upgrade your fuel system. I have the ZL1 fuel pump, and zero issues with that.
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Come take a ride in my turbo car and you will be singing a different tune on the "lag" you speak of....
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love the slp..0 problems in 6000 miles....
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OP, do it right the first time....buy once cry once!!! AGP TT kit is the way to go. Wish i went that route to begin with.
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Bo, Bull, and Jchaluja, I don't have much experience with turbos other than what I have heard from people who had older turbos (10ish years ago) and what my F-150 has now (Ford can keep their two turbos, I want my two cylinders back!). If turbo lag from aftermarket kits are gone now, then awesome, but that's where I was coming from. Still concerned about streetability for day to day driving and long trips with turbos, especially if they are hidden mounted like I would like to keep the "sleeper" look to the car. Side note, Bo I miss reading your GXP posts on the G8board. Wish I had the $$ to have bought it off of you!

Ted, thanks for the info on what to expect difference wise between the Whipple and others. I would rather have the power more instantaneously and I don't plan on going crazy with the power so something like the 2300's would be more what I'm looking for. You mentioned the stock parts handle the power well until you start racing, do you mean every weekend at the strip or just the occasional hard pull will wreak havoc on the stock parts. I saw you suggested axles, how hard are those to replace and can someone who has never done it before do it in a garage with a jack and stands relatively easily?

For those of you who are of the strong opinions that it is Maggie or nothing, what makes you favor a magnacharger over the SLP supercharger?
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Love my Solo, they are cat back. I have Pedders subframe inserts, Pfadt trailing arms, BMR toe rods, Pfadt endlinks along with Pfadt lowering springs. Zero issues with the long drives, and this was July 4th weekend, through the mountains (Indy to east coast NC). I have had several 3-4 hours drives up to MI for shows/events and enjoyed every one. One trip back MI, me and another member here, kept it rolling about 90 mph for over 100 miles, that was fun Never had any heat issues. The only suspension I want to make now is new halfshafts. (Gforce) I think that is probably my weak link now (as far as putting it down the track). As far as street use, I would not have any issues with anything else on the car.

With a supercharger, you will need to upgrade your fuel system. I have the ZL1 fuel pump, and zero issues with that.
How has the ride quality changed since you made the suspension mods? I had eibach springs on the car when I test drove it, but the owner offered to put the factory springs back on if I wanted. At the time I did because the eibach's made the car ride like a wagon, handled like it was on rails, but road hard which wasn't going to be ideal for my wife just coming off of a serious accident. Do you feel a real hard ride with your setup you have now?
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