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Old 02-21-2014, 03:13 PM   #1
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Supercharged Callaway Camaro Z/28 SC652 Makes 652 HP

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Known for turning out high-performance variants of General Motors vehicles like the Chevrolet Corvette Stingray GT3 racer, Corvette AeroWagon conversion, and SS sedan, Callaway has just revealed details of its newest creation dubbed the Callaway Camaro Z/28 SC652.

Based on the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 with the 505-hp 7.0-liter LS7 V-8 with 481 lb-ft of torque, Callaway adds an Eaton TVS2300 LS7 supercharger system that was first developed for the 2006-2013 Callaway Corvette Z06 SC652. Total output climbs to 652 hp at 6700 rpm and 620 lb-ft at 4400 rpm – increases of 147 hp and 139 lb-ft, respectively. That’s also 72 hp and 64 lb-ft more than the supercharged Camaro ZL1 and 14 hp and 16 lb-ft more than the supercharged C6 Corvette ZR1.

Callaway warns that the Camaro Z/28 SC652 is not for the “faint of heart.” The tuner claims the supercharged Z/28 will sprint to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds and finish the quarter-mile in 11.5 seconds at 124 mph.

In addition to the supercharger, Callaway adds a liquid-to-air intercooler, high-flow intake, low restriction exhaust, and larger fuel injectors. Appearance upgrades include under hood build plaque, carbon fiber injector covers, Callaway badging, dash plaque, embroidered floor mats, door sill panels, Callaway key fob, and authenticity documentation package.

The Callaway Camaro Z/28 SC652 comes with the Camaro Z/28’s standard high-performance parts including the LS7’s dry-sump oiling system, six-speed manual transmission, aerodynamic bits, wide Pirelli tires, Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes, and spool-valve dampers as well as the Z/28’s weight reduction measures.

Only 10 examples of the Callaway Camaro Z/28 SC652 will be built with the package costing $19,995 on top of the Camaro Z/28’s $75,000 base price. That price does, however, include a 3-year/36,000-mile warranty. Options include a custom car cover, Callaway factory delivery, and a 5-year/100,000-mile powertrain service contract.
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:36 PM   #2
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Interesting, but:

In addition to the supercharger, Callaway adds a liquid-to-air intercooler, high-flow intake, low restriction exhaust, and larger fuel injectors. Appearance upgrades include under hood build plaque, carbon fiber injector covers, Callaway badging, dash plaque, embroidered floor mats, door sill panels, Callaway key fob, and authenticity documentation package.

How much lower restrictive than the factory version could their exhaust possible be and still be legal?
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:44 PM   #3
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i dont live in an emission testing area (thank god) but i believe they are looking for NOx and NO2 from the sniffer. CA i think actually runs a car on a dyno but by Chicago it is a sniffer test. (or used to be)


So if they are installing a supercharger and all they are doing is testing at idle - a solid tune will not prevent the car from passing




Back on topic of 20k

Heads, cam, valve springs, intake, dyno tune, headers, and exhaust - should at the very least get you 550whp and more likely 600whp. That is 700hp at the flywheel and keeps you all motor.

For an LS7 - that is the direction i would go with the car (it should also cost less than 10k installed and tune for all of it too)
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So basically, they took everything the GM engineers worked so hard on with the Z/28 and threw it out the window?
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So basically, they took everything the GM engineers worked so hard on with the Z/28 and threw it out the window?
Excellent point. You have no idea if any of their "upgrades" actually upgrade, because the addition of the supercharger is going to give the illusion that every change made deserves some of the credit for the performance gain, including the fuzzy dice hanging on the mirror.

I would like to see a build with nothing but the supercharger against a build with the kitchen sink thrown in. Then a prospective customer could start to know the incremental value of the additional pieces.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:04 PM   #6
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How is this an upgrade based on:

1. Added weight
2. Thermal loads added by supercharging?

Don't get me wrong, Callaway usually does a very good job -- but even without thinking about the cost of these upgrades, my answer is "no thanks!".

If I absolutely needed more power, I think I'd be calling Katech instead...
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:05 PM   #7
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Excellent point. You have no idea if any of their "upgrades" actually upgrade, because the addition of the supercharger is going to give the illusion that every change made deserves some of the credit for the performance gain, including the fuzzy dice hanging on the mirror.

I would like to see a build with nothing but the supercharger against a build with the kitchen sink thrown in. Then a prospective customer could start to know the incremental value of the additional pieces.
adding a supercharger will add weight and upset the weight balance of the car, I think this is what he meant.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:25 PM   #8
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I'll take the Katech packages, thank you very much but nice find Mikey.

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Old 02-21-2014, 05:31 PM   #9
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I love the Z/28. But I would not touch that motor. It is designed to be Naturally Aspirated. I would leave it the way Chevy designed it.
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I'm a bit confused by why anyone would want this. You took a killer track Z28 and made it a semi ZL1. Except if the ZL1 adds a few mods it would have more power so why not get a ZL1 and mod it?

AND, I'm still curious if someone took a ZL and put the Z28 tires on it and dropped the weight 300'ish pounds would it catch the Z28?
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If I could feasibly afford it, I would take it, I dont see how the added 150lbs or so throws off the weight ballance anymore than say a 300lb vs a 200lb guy sitting in the drivers seat does. I do agree that the LS7 was designed as a N/A motor just like the LS3, but I have seen quite a few FI Z06 cars and a hell of a lot of supercharged camaros. I am comfortable with it since they are throwing a 3yr/36,000 mile warranty on it.

If you are driving this car on the track the way it was meant to be, the motor will likely need a freshen up before 50,000 miles and definately before 100,000. But I bet with most of them being stashed away as collector cars, many will never see that 36,000 mile mark anyway.

This will appeal to those who like to play at both types of tracks and also want a package car that maintains a little higher collectors value than a car that just had performance parts added down the road.

I can't wait to see what Lingenfelter comes up with for the Z/28
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If I could feasibly afford it, I would take it, I dont see how the added 150lbs or so throws off the weight ballance anymore than say a 300lb vs a 200lb guy sitting in the drivers seat does. I do agree that the LS7 was designed as a N/A motor just like the LS3, but I have seen quite a few FI Z06 cars and a hell of a lot of supercharged camaros. I am comfortable with it since they are throwing a 3yr/36,000 mile warranty on it.

If you are driving this car on the track the way it was meant to be, the motor will likely need a freshen up before 50,000 miles and definately before 100,000. But I bet with most of them being stashed away as collector cars, many will never see that 36,000 mile mark anyway.

This will appeal to those who like to play at both types of tracks and also want a package car that maintains a little higher collectors value than a car that just had performance parts added down the road.

I can't wait to see what Lingenfelter comes up with for the Z/28
It adds the weight in the wrong place, up front and on top of the engine. The spring rate, shock valving and other things are all set up for the specific weight and center of gravity of the car. You dump extra weight in the car and it changes all those things.
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It adds the weight in the wrong place, up front and on top of the engine. The spring rate, shock valving and other things are all set up for the specific weight and center of gravity of the car. You dump extra weight in the car and it changes all those things.
I understand, but my point is so does the weight of different individuals sitting in the drivers seat.
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They will mostly sell the to people who will say "I have a supercharged Z/28 and that is all they care about.
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I understand, but my point is so does the weight of different individuals sitting in the drivers seat.
Yes, but when they set up the car, they usually do it while driving, with a driver in the seat. It's more than likely the car is set up to account for a driver but most definitely not a supercharger and assorted parts.
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I have enjoyed and have no regrets completing the mods on my SS however, if I were fortunate enough to have a Z28, it would remain completely stock. If any Gen5 owners will have the chance at making some money in the future, it will be the Z28 owners.
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Yes, but when they set up the car, they usually do it while driving, with a driver in the seat. It's more than likely the car is set up to account for a driver but most definitely not a supercharger and assorted parts.
I don't think you understand what I mean, I know they set it up to account for a driver, but was it for a 150lb driver or a 300lb driver? Either way if a different person gets in the drivers seat, its going to change the ballance just as a supercharger would.

In addition if somebody is going to truly use it to its full extent as a race/track car, they are going to add a roll cage to it, again that will change the ballance. If GM did it right, they added enough adjustablilty to be able to compensate for these things and many others like different tracks etc.

Also, don't get me wrong, I have an allocation for a 2015 Z/28 and I plan to use the car, not store it away. I doubt I will get the Callaway package for the simple fact that it is not feasible for me to spend the extra 20k, but if the opportunity arrises and the company has a great year in 2014 I would not hesitate to go with one of the Callaway or Lingenfelter packages.
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I don't think you understand what I mean, I know they set it up to account for a driver, but was it for a 150lb driver or a 300lb driver? Either way if a different person gets in the drivers seat, its going to change the ballance just as a supercharger would.

In addition if somebody is going to truly use it to its full extent as a race/track car, they are going to add a roll cage to it, again that will change the ballance. If GM did it right, they added enough adjustablilty to be able to compensate for these things and many others like different tracks etc.

Also, don't get me wrong, I have an allocation for a 2015 Z/28 and I plan to use the car, not store it away. I doubt I will get the Callaway package for the simple fact that it is not feasible for me to spend the extra 20k, but if the opportunity arrises and the company has a great year in 2014 I would not hesitate to go with one of the Callaway or Lingenfelter packages.
Do you know where the center of the car for weight is? is it closer to the driver seat or the engine, i think the drivers seat, so the farther you go away from the center the less weight you want to add further from center.
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I don't think you understand what I mean, I know they set it up to account for a driver, but was it for a 150lb driver or a 300lb driver? Either way if a different person gets in the drivers seat, its going to change the ballance just as a supercharger would.

In addition if somebody is going to truly use it to its full extent as a race/track car, they are going to add a roll cage to it, again that will change the ballance. If GM did it right, they added enough adjustablilty to be able to compensate for these things and many others like different tracks etc.

Also, don't get me wrong, I have an allocation for a 2015 Z/28 and I plan to use the car, not store it away. I doubt I will get the Callaway package for the simple fact that it is not feasible for me to spend the extra 20k, but if the opportunity arrises and the company has a great year in 2014 I would not hesitate to go with one of the Callaway or Lingenfelter packages.

True but the weight of the cage or driver will be behind the front wheels as opposed to the weight if the supercharger which will be in front. That has a big impact on the way the car handles the increased weight .
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True but the weight of the cage or driver will be behind the front wheels as opposed to the weight if the supercharger which will be in front. That has a big impact on the way the car handles the increased weight .
I think you need to read up on what pilots learn the 1st year they go to school, and that is the utter importance of CG.

100 pounds up front, will most certainly affect the handling dymanics of the vehicle, way more, than 300 pounds right on the CG point will.

I'd love to see this Callaway hit the Nurburgring, and see what it can do, amidst all this speculation and hypothisis's.
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You can adjust the down force with the wicker bill and adjust for a weight difference. Looking at it on the pictures you can see the adjustments. Just like trimming an airplane.

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You can adjust the down force with the wicker bill and adjust for a weight difference. Looking at it on the pictures you can see the adjustments.

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I'm sure you could, but it should be served to fine tune, not solve a problem, since I'm also sure that you won't feel anything from it until you are well over 80mph, if more.


Sway bar re-adjustment, and tire pressure fine tuning then the spoiler adjustments should suffice to compensate for the 'lil extra weight up front.
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