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Old 11-20-2013, 01:17 PM   #18
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I'm getting my setup ready for Hoosier slicks on 17's.

Will I be good with MTCA030 for the LCA's?

I also plan on replacing my older TCA026 trailing arms with the TCA033.

I am lowered with BMR springs and have the sways via the HPP018 kit.

So, anything I'm missing or any other changes or improvements?

I'm not quite ready to go 15" wheels.

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You can't run those lowering springs with the MTCA030's, you have to use the Strange Eng. Shocks/Springs provided in the DRP007 Kit. Also, "I think" you could probably use your existing BMR rear sway bar, but considering the racing you do....the XTreme Anti-Roll bar would be much more suited for this application. I bought the DRP007 kit, and I already had the XTreme Anti-Roll bar, and I plan on running 17's for now. It will certainly give those 17's plenty of clearance around the LCA's, especially since it was designed for 15's!!! Should work pretty awesome. And then, down the road, if I want to convert to 15's.....all I would need is the Brake Package.

If you wanted to stick with your current spring/shock set-up, these new LCA's they're making (see post #1) would work fine (even with the 17's). Since you have the older FE3 suspension, you can still use the "older" version of the LCA's too without any issues. This new version just allows use of the newer FE4 style sway bars.
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Old 11-20-2013, 01:22 PM   #19
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Hey Padre,
You can't run those lowering springs with the MTCA030's, you have to use the Strange Eng. Shocks/Springs provided in the DRP007 Kit. Also, "I think" you could probably use your existing BMR rear sway bar, but considering the racing you do....the XTreme Anti-Roll bar would be much more suited for this application. I bought the DRP007 kit, and I already had the XTreme Anti-Roll bar, and I plan on running 17's for now. It will certainly give those 17's plenty of clearance around the LCA's, especially since it was designed for 15's!!! Should work pretty awesome. And then, down the road, if I want to convert to 15's.....all I would need is the Brake Package.
Thanks for the info. I'm still researching and trying to keep costs down. I also want to keep the car setup so I can run the Texas Mile if I'm ever able to get there. So any suggestions welcome.

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Old 11-20-2013, 01:24 PM   #20
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Will these be made of chrome moly?
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Old 11-20-2013, 01:25 PM   #21
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Thanks for the info. I'm still researching and trying to keep costs down. I also want to keep the car setup so I can run the Texas Mile if I'm ever able to get there. So any suggestions welcome.

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I added this....after-the-fact:

If you wanted to stick with your current spring/shock set-up, these new LCA's they're making (see post #1) would work fine (even with the 17's). Since you have the older FE3 suspension, you can still use the "older" version of the LCA's too without any issues. This new version just allows use of the newer FE4 style sway bars.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:38 PM   #22
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When I had my car aligned I have plenty of camber adjustment with my lowered stance(1.5+). Toe adjustment on the other hand is used up for the most part. I still have adjustment left but its like 75% used up right now. I have BMR trailing arms and toe rods, both nonadjustable.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:39 PM   #23
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Thanks for the info. I'm still researching and trying to keep costs down. I also want to keep the car setup so I can run the Texas Mile if I'm ever able to get there. So any suggestions welcome.

Padre
Since you are only looking to run a 17" wheel on the back and you are lowered I would recommend running our BMR non-adjustable lower control arms (TCA028). These non adjustable lower control arms will allow you to run the sway bar you already have and will work well with you being on a budget. With these you will need to run adjustable toe rods (TR003 or TR004) so you can get the adjustment needed to get the desired alignment specs but this combination will allow you to get right at 0 camber which will be ideal for drag racing.

Shoot me a PM or e-mail Padre and I will see what I can do for you so we can get some more BMR parts added to the car.

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These newly designed arms will be made out of mild steel just like our current ones are. The only lower control arm will build that are chrome moly are our MTCA030 which are more race oriented and are what we include in our BMR drag race suspension package that are used when guys are looking to run a 15" rear wheel.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:08 PM   #24
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Are there any handling benefits these give when upgrading from FE3 LCAs?
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:07 PM   #25
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Blazzin you're a fountain of knowledge!! Lol
Appreciate ya!! Bmr and weld need to put ya on the payroll!
Funny how this statement worked out in hind sight.....
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:19 PM   #26
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:16 PM   #27
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Now, if I could only get Weld Racing to start paying me too!!! Hahahaha!!!!
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:27 PM   #28
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Are there any handling benefits these give when upgrading from FE3 LCAs?
If you're upgrading from FE3 to an FE4 configuration….then yes, there are definitely some good benefits in handling. The FE4 sway bar functions more efficiently than the shorter FE3 set-up.
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:46 PM   #29
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What do you guys have as an adjustable option to compliment my Airlift build and with hiem joints.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:14 AM   #30
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Dang! I thought this was going to be the newly redesigned lower control arms for the drag race kit!!

You know you guys want to release some info on this!!
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Old 03-04-2014, 01:50 AM   #31
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The sway bar isn't a lever, and doesn't gain mechanical advantage by being longer, in fact, because the stiffness of a sway bar is proportional to its length, they lose stiffness, or become less efficient the longer they are.

The stiffness of a sway bar is also proportional to the 4th power of the diameter, so it's no coincidence that the FE4 rear bars have a larger diameter than the FE3 rear bars.

Sway bars do utilize lever arms at the ends, but once again, these are proportional to their length, which is why the closest hole to the bar is the stiffest setting, and the further out you go, the less efficient they are.

The FE3 bars also appear to have shorter lever arms (more efficient) than the FE4 bars.

So why do people keep posting the FE4 bars are more efficient? Is this just an assumption that bigger/longer is better? Or is there something I'm missing?
People post whatever they read on the internet (not targeted towards anyone). What you are referring to is stiffness at the end link and you are right. But you also have to consider FE3 bar mount inboard of damper/spring assembly with motion ratio about 0.4:1 and FE4 bar mount outboard of damper/spring assembly with motion ratio about 0.8:1 (my guess base on 0.7:1 damper/spring assembly motion ratio). Motion ratio has to be square to get the wheel rate so given the same strength bar, FE4 mounting point will be 4x stronger at the wheel.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:33 PM   #32
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Ahaaaa. The old increase-the-mechanical-advantage-of-the-lower-control-arm-by-moving-the-endlink-outward-trick…

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Old 03-07-2014, 03:30 PM   #33
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What do you guys have as an adjustable option to compliment my Airlift build and with hiem joints.
Are you asking about rear suspension control arms??? We do have the TCA029 lower control arms, TR004 toe rods, and TCA033 trailing arms....all adjustable.

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Dang! I thought this was going to be the newly redesigned lower control arms for the drag race kit!!

You know you guys want to release some info on this!!
Yes, we are about to start production on the "revised" MTCA030. It will have a delrin bushing on the inner connection point instead of the spherical ball joint, this will the prevent the rotational movement of the LCA that was seen on the earlier model. However, because of this new end connection, the arm will no longer be camber adjustable. We should hopefully have some ready to ship out by late next week.
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Testing of the new motor mounts is going well. I like them, and have no intention of removing them!!! As I mentioned before, yes, you can tell a difference. At low idle and up to about 1200-1500 rpm there is an increase in engine NVH. That is to be expected, these are "race" parts with low deflection polyurethane bushings instead of the factory hydraulic/rubber mounts. Is it overly annoying or intolerable? No, not at all. But keep in mind, I'm still running the stock cam. So, once again, I believe the vibrations will be more pronounced with the "big cam" guys.....I think that's kind of obvious!!! Hopefully, we will be going into production on these within 2 weeks or so. We're very pleased with the end results on these!!!
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