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Old 01-28-2014, 08:14 AM   #51
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I'm still recovering from 2 major back surgeries in 2012. I've been permanently disabled since 2011. I WAS making a recovery until September, when some old fart speeding in the Walmart crosswalk decided he had the right of way instead of me and my shopping cart. I was working at rehab exercise to strengthening my core up until then. I was doing at least 200 crunches per day. Now, this disabled vet is back to square 1. Before being hit, I could run errands for 5 to 6 hours and still function the next day. Now I'm back to doing about 2 hours per day before I'm too tired to continue.
At least I have a lawyer.
Ouch, hate to hear that. Good luck one getting it all sorted out.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:40 AM   #52
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Come on you are not old just well experienced!

The factory rear cradle bushing can be kind of a pain to get out sometimes but replacing them definitely yields very good results in both handling and straight-line performance.
Experienced is the perfect term for me. I was born the same year as the 265" small block Chevy.
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Old 02-03-2014, 05:34 PM   #53
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Experienced is the perfect term for me. I was born the same year as the 265" small block Chevy.
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Old 02-07-2014, 01:58 AM   #54
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Ouch, hate to hear that. Good luck one getting it all sorted out.
I thank you for your encouragement, Chase.
I was exposed to a huge list of toxins while stationed at HAFB, Florida, in the 70s. My immune system has been compromised, my respiratory system is damaged with chronic sinusitis, asthma, sleep apnea, and my neurological system has been damaged causing extreme neuropathy pain at all times. The entire right side of my body has atrophied muscles and is going numb.

I once pledged to offer my nation, everything I owned up to and including my life; on my sacred honor - I pledge to overcome what has now befallen me...or die trying.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:09 PM   #55
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I thank you for your encouragement, Chase.
I was exposed to a huge list of toxins while stationed at HAFB, Florida, in the 70s. My immune system has been compromised, my respiratory system is damaged with chronic sinusitis, asthma, sleep apnea, and my neurological system has been damaged causing extreme neuropathy pain at all times. The entire right side of my body has atrophied muscles and is going numb.

I once pledged to offer my nation, everything I owned up to and including my life; on my sacred honor - I pledge to overcome what has now befallen me...or die trying.
Not enough people are fighters these days. I respect you a lot for having that spirit.
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Old 02-08-2014, 12:48 PM   #56
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Did the cradle/subframe bushings in my garage using just hand tools and a propane torch. More info in this thread too:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...bushing+remove

Post 25 is what I did.
25 years ago, with the exception of the transmission and 9" Ford gear and spool setup, I built an entire 1962 Chevy II prostreet car in a 2 car garage - with NO outside help with heavy stuff. I did a backhalf w/wheeltubs, narrowed rear, and 12 point cage. and welded in subframe connectors. I then did a wrecking yard bought Mustang II rack and pinion steering up front. I built my own solid motor mounts and tranny crossmember. I traded an AMX body w/9" narrowed Ford rear and axles w/NHRA compliant long studs, for my ladder bars, rear coil-over Konis and mounts, and front Konis.

Today, I would be physically challenged to build a motor on a stand. If someone else bolted the motor to the stand and set it up. Then I would need help to set the hand ported double-hump heads on when ready. I had an easy 8 hours of work into those heads. Hand porting iron heads is a far cry from ordering CNC ported aluminum heads of today.

Yeah, my best days of building are behind me. Even with a right arm going numb, my best days of driving are ahead of me.
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Old 02-08-2014, 01:04 PM   #57
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This old airman is humbled by your comments, sir.
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Old 03-19-2014, 01:35 PM   #58
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Old 03-24-2014, 12:41 PM   #59
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For a road SS, is the 1LE track pac with FE3-FE4 conversion a good mod or are there better options?
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:18 PM   #60
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For a road SS, is the 1LE track pac with FE3-FE4 conversion a good mod or are there better options?
It is definitely a pretty significant improvement over your stock set up. Swapping to that geometry with upgrades components is obviously going to be a bigger improvement, but for the typical street application it is not completely necessary. However, none of that is directly related to the wheel hop issue.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:25 PM   #61
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Even the 1LE benefits from cradle bushings. The differential bushings have been debated if they are necessary but they will improve the situation.

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Old 03-24-2014, 02:46 PM   #62
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Even the 1LE benefits from cradle bushings. The differential bushings have been debated if they are necessary but they will improve the situation.
Rear cradle bushings are a good idea across the board. Differential bushings are tricky because of the potential for gear noise.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:11 PM   #63
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Rear cradle bushings are a good idea across the board. Differential bushings are tricky because of the potential for gear noise.
I got a 3.91 GM Pumpkin from you. When I install this I have the BMR BK029 Pro version Differential bushings. Should I install those on a set of 3.91s?

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Old 03-24-2014, 07:01 PM   #64
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I got a 3.91 GM Pumpkin from you. When I install this I have the BMR BK029 Pro version Differential bushings. Should I install those on a set of 3.91s?

I AutoX don't really drag race but may someday but not much.
From a performance stand point differential bushings are beneficial, the issue is that when you install them it can be a roll of the dice. Even from the factory there are is a pretty wide range in how the gears are set up. Some are quieter and some louder and the soft stock bushings do an incredibly good job of insulting the driver from any amount of gear noise that may exist. When you drop a stiffer set in there you lose some of that and suddenly you may hear it. That is when we get phone calls about how swapping the differential bushings caused gear noise. No, the noise was always there. You can just hear it now.

The differential bushings are one of those areas where you need to know what you are getting into. You may not notice much noise but then again you could. You just need to do the math for yourself as to whether it is worth it or not.
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It is definitely a pretty significant improvement over your stock set up. Swapping to that geometry with upgrades components is obviously going to be a bigger improvement, but for the typical street application it is not completely necessary. However, none of that is directly related to the wheel hop issue.
Thank you for your response, my question should have been written clearer. Given a 1LE track pac suspension upgrade, are there other options to prevent wheel hop for those infrequent trips to the strip? Motor will be 416ci with 500+rwhp, custom Lunati billet core VVT cam.
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Thank you for your response, my question should have been written clearer. Given a 1LE track pac suspension upgrade, are there other options to prevent wheel hop for those infrequent trips to the strip? Motor will be 416ci with 500+rwhp, custom Lunati billet core VVT cam.
The 1LE package will improve cornering capability over a standard SS but it will not do much to stop wheel hop. Especially when you are making significantly more power than a stock SS. None of the parts that are responsible for wheel hop are addressed with the 1LE package. To prevent wheel hop you need to address the components mentioned in the opening post; rear cradle bushings, rear trailing arms and bushings, toe rods and bushings, and at your power level the control arm bushings as well.
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The 1LE package will improve cornering capability over a standard SS but it will not do much to stop wheel hop. Especially when you are making significantly more power than a stock SS. None of the parts that are responsible for wheel hop are addressed with the 1LE package. To prevent wheel hop you need to address the components mentioned in the opening post; rear cradle bushings, rear trailing arms and bushings, toe rods and bushings, and at your power level the control arm bushings as well.
Thank you, I had the Pfadt mods sorted out; now it looks like I'll need to go with BMR and get tech advice for my build.
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Thank you, I had the Pfadt mods sorted out; now it looks like I'll need to go with BMR and get tech advice for my build.
You can't go wrong with BMR. They have pretty much all the bases covered and their stuff is rock solid. All of the suspension and chassis upgrades under my car are BMR.
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Thank you, I had the Pfadt mods sorted out; now it looks like I'll need to go with BMR and get tech advice for my build.
We're here for ya! Just give me a call or send me a PM, I can get you hooked up with the right stuff to get a handle on that wheel hop. Or give Chase a call, he knows his stuff!!!

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You can't go wrong with BMR. They have pretty much all the bases covered and their stuff is rock solid. All of the suspension and chassis upgrades under my car are BMR.
Thanks for the kind words Chase!!! We appreciate having you as one of our best vendors.
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From a performance stand point differential bushings are beneficial, the issue is that when you install them it can be a roll of the dice. Even from the factory there are is a pretty wide range in how the gears are set up. Some are quieter and some louder and the soft stock bushings do an incredibly good job of insulting the driver from any amount of gear noise that may exist. When you drop a stiffer set in there you lose some of that and suddenly you may hear it. That is when we get phone calls about how swapping the differential bushings caused gear noise. No, the noise was always there. You can just hear it now.

The differential bushings are one of those areas where you need to know what you are getting into. You may not notice much noise but then again you could. You just need to do the math for yourself as to whether it is worth it or not.
Amen to this Chase...
reminds me of when folks discuss how a muzzle brake reduced the recoil of their rifle. NO IT DID NOT, it simply reduced the FELT recoil by redirecting the energy somewhere else. Basic physics- Every actiona has an equal and opposite reaction.
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We're here for ya! Just give me a call or send me a PM, I can get you hooked up with the right stuff to get a handle on that wheel hop. Or give Chase a call, he knows his stuff!!!

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Please let me know what I need to cure wheel hop with part# please and how much thank you.
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Old 04-24-2014, 06:51 PM   #73
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Please let me know what I need to cure wheel hop with part# please and how much thank you.
The answer to that depends on the answer to a few questions. The most critical being, how much power are you making now and how much do you ultimately anticipate making in the future?
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:47 AM   #74
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:32 AM   #75
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I got my car currently having all the parts I ordered from apex installed as we speak. (Rear Trailing Arms/Polyurethane Bushings, Rear Toe Rods/Polyurethane Bushings/Rear Suspension Bushing Kit/Rear Cradle Full Bushing Pro Version)

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