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Old 07-28-2009, 10:25 AM   #26
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And who will be the driver for each of the tests?
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:36 AM   #27
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Great idea LMR. I'd love to see all the available CAI systems compared possibly on the same car, and we'll get to see what the differences are with all the different prices and looks out there, this will definately ease some minds.
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Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR.

Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp.

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Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR.

Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp.

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Good idea. One stock, and the other with headers and exhaust which are probably the two mods most owners would be likely to make. Not everyone is going to go 500+ rwhp but it might be interesting to test a car at that level with whichever CAI comes out on top in testing.
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I really like this idea. I think we should have dyno testing w/ no tuning and drag testing as well, but on an L99 car for consistency. Most cars w/ headers and an intake though would require some tuning I think.
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Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR.

Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp.

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Sounds good to me. I will see what we can do. I am ready and willing to help make this happen, which other vendors out there are in?
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:40 AM   #32
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Old 07-30-2009, 03:21 PM   #33
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That is the LAST place you want something to be tested honestly...

Their testing is so SPONSOR driven, it would be impossible for an unbiased result. Wait until you see the camshaft shoot out. The tester was highly restricted to use ONLY paid advertisers during the run off...

Arrange for a Ford based dyno shop that has no interest in the result, test this. There are tons of Ford-only shops around here so I know one of them could do the test without the bias...

Ed, please check out the latest issue of our magazine (GM High Tech) - we installed one of your camshafts and picked up over 140-rwhp on a Twin Turbo G8. In fact, it performed so well we put it on the cover. Title - New Era (pages 47-52)

I personally welcome you to keep me informed of any upcoming products/projects you (or anyone) is offering, you can email me at justin.cesler@sorc.com or PM me on here.

We try to offer the BEST and most un-baised reviews possible. Both Scott Parker and I are enthusiasts, we want the best stuff possible on the market. Do we review advertisers parts? Of course we do, who wouldn't? But we also try to use as many willing participants a possible, so please, if you (or anyone) are interested in being involved in future testing, please let me know.
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Old 08-01-2009, 08:00 PM   #34
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Ed, please check out the latest issue of our magazine (GM High Tech) - we installed one of your camshafts and picked up over 140-rwhp on a Twin Turbo G8. In fact, it performed so well we put it on the cover. Title - New Era (pages 47-52)

I personally welcome you to keep me informed of any upcoming products/projects you (or anyone) is offering, you can email me at justin.cesler@sorc.com or PM me on here.

We try to offer the BEST and most un-baised reviews possible. Both Scott Parker and I are enthusiasts, we want the best stuff possible on the market. Do we review advertisers parts? Of course we do, who wouldn't? But we also try to use as many willing participants a possible, so please, if you (or anyone) are interested in being involved in future testing, please let me know.

Ed, so can we go ahead and set this up. Nineball(Tony) lives in houston and can work with me on getting everything planned. Now all we need is other vendors interested in using their product for the magazine articles.
We need help from you Forum members to choose which CAI's you would like to see tested against one another. We will be able to judge cost, how easy or hard to install, along with dyno and track results. Please post in this thread to keep it at the top so we can get as many CAI systems to participate.
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Old 08-01-2009, 09:08 PM   #35
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Old 08-01-2009, 09:23 PM   #36
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Old 08-01-2009, 10:35 PM   #37
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say there are 3 brands being tested you just run three seperate dyno test sessions through the day and scramble order the brand is tested for each dyno test session and do an average of results to determine a winner.
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Old 08-02-2009, 11:36 AM   #38
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Im really feeling this thread! Is K&N gonna get in on this? There is also a intake on ebay thats a true cold air that relocates the winshield washer bottle. Any thoughts?
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If they aren't a major player on this site then forget about them...The vendors that had the fore thought to get on here, listen to the consumer and work hard to deliver a quality product, THEN stay around to make sure it works and the consumer is satisfied are the ones that should be included. The ones that are on here that just hop on occationally to push a new product release then leave should be out also.

Forums are one of if not THE most effective way to advertise a product now-a-days, and shops should IMHO dial back print, radio, tV, newspaper etc advertising and if necessary hire a part-time employee to maintain their web presence.

Nothing is worse than a shop popping on telling about a new product, stirring up excitement, only to leave and not respond to the 50 or so replies the post generated. Those shops that answer posts, PM's and emails AND deliver a quality product are the ones that will succeed at the end of the day anyway.

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I'd like to see Fast Lane's added into the mix as well. They had the original "true" CAI for this car, even if it did require removing the washer fluid reservoir. I think it would be a top contender, as the surface area of the NEP filter looks like it might be a little small. I predict Hennessey to do the worst (sorry guys). With the HUGE gap around the tubing on heat shield, you're basically just getting hot air from the radiator blown into the area of the filter. That is, of course, if you spring the extra $100 for the 1.5 square foot piece of sheet metal.

I think this is a great idea, although I think it might be better if it was performed just on a 500rwhp car. The results will be exaggerated over a stock car and easier to quantify (I would think). So those with 100% stock cars, they might not be seeing the exact horsepower they will be gaining, but they can still see which one performs the best.
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:30 PM   #41
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Sound good to me Mike, That way there will be unbiased results. So far no other Cold Air Induction manufacturer has contacted me about this test. We are ready and so is the magazine company. We can do it next week if we can get some other venders involved.
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Old 08-02-2009, 11:00 PM   #42
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We can offer either one of our dynos, dynojet or dyno dynamics. Then after the cars are dyno tested they can go straight down the 1/4 mile at Lonestar. Here is how I suggest it should go down to be fair for all:

1. each car that is tested shows up bone stock with a stock airbox. since the cars will be driven there, allow a 1 hour cool down time for everyone.

2. then each cars goes on to the dyno with the stock airbox in place. 2 dyno pulls are made back to back.

3. then the stock airbox is taken off and the tuner's aftermarket kit is installed. then the next dyno pull is made exactly 30 minutes after the last pull with the stock airbox. 2 pulls are made again.

4. then the car goes straight to the dragstrip and runs the 1/4 mile and then runs it again.

the dyno can be operated by somebody independent. the 1/4 mile is the same for everybody. the temps, heat soak, etc. are the same for everybody. each tuner brings his otherwise stock car and it is dyno tested stock. this keeps everything the same for everybody with the exception of the driver.

quite honestly, if you are looking at the best air induction design vs the worst design, there will be less than a 15 rw hp difference and less than a 2 mph difference in trap speed. and that might be conservative.

anyway, that is how i suggest you do a test with fair, repeatable data. to do it with one car and switch out airboxes will be much harder to have fair results. heat soak will skew the test results.
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Sounds like a good plan....it'd be cool to check all this out. When does it look like you all will get this together?
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FYI, one of our supercharged Camaros ran 11.7 @ 122 mph down the 1/4 mile on factory stock tires with our air intake system. This is the same car that makes 592 rw hp on 91 octane fuel. We made another pass on the same car with a stock airbox and lost nearly 2 mph. Our test data shows that our air induction system works. If others want to run plastic kits or stick with the stock airbox then that is up to them.

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I'd like to see Fast Lane's added into the mix as well. They had the original "true" CAI for this car, even if it did require removing the washer fluid reservoir. I think it would be a top contender, as the surface area of the NEP filter looks like it might be a little small. I predict Hennessey to do the worst (sorry guys). With the HUGE gap around the tubing on heat shield, you're basically just getting hot air from the radiator blown into the area of the filter. That is, of course, if you spring the extra $100 for the 1.5 square foot piece of sheet metal.

I think this is a great idea, although I think it might be better if it was performed just on a 500rwhp car. The results will be exaggerated over a stock car and easier to quantify (I would think). So those with 100% stock cars, they might not be seeing the exact horsepower they will be gaining, but they can still see which one performs the best.
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I would suggest that if possible, someone with some connections gets the GMPP intake also, I know lots of warranty worry warts are interested in it.

Also, only one car should be used. That way no tuner can 'massage' some extra HP out of the deal and also eliminates natural differences between engines. Sometimes one bone stock LS3 can have like an extra 10 HP over another bone stock LS3
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We can offer either one of our dynos, dynojet or dyno dynamics. Then after the cars are dyno tested they can go straight down the 1/4 mile at Lonestar. Here is how I suggest it should go down to be fair for all:

1. each car that is tested shows up bone stock with a stock airbox. since the cars will be driven there, allow a 1 hour cool down time for everyone.

2. then each cars goes on to the dyno with the stock airbox in place. 2 dyno pulls are made back to back.

3. then the stock airbox is taken off and the tuner's aftermarket kit is installed. then the next dyno pull is made exactly 30 minutes after the last pull with the stock airbox. 2 pulls are made again.

4. then the car goes straight to the dragstrip and runs the 1/4 mile and then runs it again.

the dyno can be operated by somebody independent. the 1/4 mile is the same for everybody. the temps, heat soak, etc. are the same for everybody. each tuner brings his otherwise stock car and it is dyno tested stock. this keeps everything the same for everybody with the exception of the driver.

quite honestly, if you are looking at the best air induction design vs the worst design, there will be less than a 15 rw hp difference and less than a 2 mph difference in trap speed. and that might be conservative.

anyway, that is how i suggest you do a test with fair, repeatable data. to do it with one car and switch out airboxes will be much harder to have fair results. heat soak will skew the test results.


You know I am game John, lets try and get some of the other systems out there to join along in the fun. Dyno and track runs are always fun! I also think we need to ad a 30 mile cruise to prove that no check engine lights will come on from the aftermarket CAI system being installed.
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awesome idea

i really hope all the makers jump on this
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You know I am game John, lets try and get some of the other systems out there to join along in the fun. Dyno and track runs are always fun! I also think we need to ad a 30 mile cruise to prove that no check engine lights will come on from the aftermarket CAI system being installed.
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I will volunteer my abusive driving skills if this takes place at Lone Star.

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