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Old 03-21-2014, 12:38 AM   #35
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This agrees with what I found and ordered also, two yellow CTS-V six piston calipers from Amazon that I will glass bead and paint red to match my current 1LE calipers. Got the hi temp vinyl Brembo and Chevrolet stickers off E-Bay. I went with the StopTech Sport Slotted Cryogenically Treated Rotors. They are directional.
Left is Part # 126.62128CSL
Right is Part # 126.62128CSR
Tire Rack has them for $165 each
What made you go with those rotors? I was thinking about getting the ZL1 2-piece but drool over the RB slotted ones. I can't see spending $1000 or so! I don't think that's gonna happen.... hahaha

Any weight advantage with the StopTech over the ZL1 2-piece?

I'm looking to track the car about 3 weekends a year and plan to just change out pads between street and track use if the track pads squeal.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:36 AM   #36
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What made you go with those rotors? I was thinking about getting the ZL1 2-piece but drool over the RB slotted ones. I can't see spending $1000 or so! I don't think that's gonna happen.... hahaha

Any weight advantage with the StopTech over the ZL1 2-piece?

I'm looking to track the car about 3 weekends a year and plan to just change out pads between street and track use if the track pads squeal.
I went with these rotors because of the price and the Cryo treatment, which should increase the life of the rotor.
Once I got them I realized that they are not dual cast like the one piece Cadillac part. So the rotor is all iron and heavy. I haven't weighed them yet and I'm not sure I really want to know the weight other than you can hurt yourself carrying them around. These rotors are almost as big as the ones for the 12,000 lb brakes on the front of my dually.
The one piece Cadillac CTS-V or the two piece Cadillac CTS-V or ZL1 rotor will weigh less with the aluminum hub section.
When I bought the StopTechs they were a better price than what I could find on the one piece CTS-V Rotor by about $40 each, so I got the slotted and Cryo treated rotors for less than the stock one piece. It appears the one piece rotor price has now gotten lower than when I pulled the trigger on this.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:03 PM   #37
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Got the rest of my goodies today.....

Note the angle of the picture is making the rotor appear to measure larger than it is.

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Old 03-21-2014, 07:11 PM   #38
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I looked these up on Amazon & noticed the rear calipers are 4 piston & look similar to the SS front Brembo's, so would they fit on the front of the V6's? If not I would definitely get the 6 pistons for the front over used SS/1LE Brembo's, as soon as I confirm they'll fit w/out major mod to do so.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:09 PM   #39
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I looked these up on Amazon & noticed the rear calipers are 4 piston & look similar to the SS front Brembo's, so would they fit on the front of the V6's? If not I would definitely get the 6 pistons for the front over used SS/1LE Brembo's, as soon as I confirm they'll fit w/out major mod to do so.
No...The rear brakes on the CTS-V, ZL1 and SS all share the same caliper however the crossover tube and bleeders the opposite ends on the CTS-V second gen rears because of the forward mounting position. If you look at the SS you will see the rear calipers are smaller than the front.

Bottom line, no the rear calipers will not work on the front of any Camaro.

The total package for a CTS-V brakes set-up is still about double the cost of the SS 14" 4 piston set-up. You need to look at what you need the brakes for (looks, show, track ect) and decide what you want to spend. I would bet the 4-pistons are more than sufficient for most including auto cross and open track days.

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Old 03-21-2014, 10:53 PM   #40
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Thanks for the info. On Amazon both front calipers & pin kit totals $525, new. I see used front calipers here sometimes going for $600. I would get new lines, pads & rotors anyway. I plan on piecing the kit together. Theses are a bit over kill for V6 though, I don't track just daily driver. But the V6 stocks look like staples with my black wheels, so it is more for looks.
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Old 03-22-2014, 06:11 AM   #41
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Will this fit the V6 also? Beside trimming rear dust shield, will there be any other mods needed to make fit? Price seems great considering I see used Brembos going for similar prices.
something to keep in mind is the master cylinder. the SS and ZL1 master cylinders are the same, but the V6 is different
if you put front 6 piston calipers on a V6 car. it will need a lot more fluid than the stock calipers.
you also need to keep in mind that the brake bias will be changed quite a bit if you only swap the fronts. the car may or may not stop very well, especially in a panic stop.
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:19 AM   #42
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No...The rear brakes on the CTS-V, ZL1 and SS all share the same caliper however the crossover tube and bleeders the opposite ends on the CTS-V second gen rears because of the forward mounting position.
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If that's the only difference then all you have to do is swap sides with the calipers to get the bleeder back on top.

Well, guess I bumped the winky smiley and now it wont let me take it off.
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Old 03-22-2014, 03:51 PM   #43
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Does anyone have, or know where to find, a guide for taking the caliper apart? I want to powder coat them red and doubt it's a good idea to bake them assembled during the cure process.
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Old 03-22-2014, 03:59 PM   #44
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Does anyone have, or know where to find, a guide for taking the caliper apart? I want to powder coat them red and doubt it's a good idea to bake them assembled during the cure process.
It is very easy to do as I have done it before on my old race car.....I have done both paint and powder on Brembos that have been raced on and the paint holds up just fine. I just dont want to pull apart a brand new caliper. Mine will be painted, not powdered.

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The reason I posted is when I was a mechanic I've seen people bring cars in that they had their shade tree guy put calipers on and couldn't get them to bleed out. What happened was they put the calipers on the wrong side and the bleeders were on the bottom instead of the top. If they won't physicly bolt up then its not able to be done but if they will mount up either way then that's what I was getting at.
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Old 03-22-2014, 06:17 PM   #46
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It is very easy to do as I have done it before on my old race car.....I have done both paint and powder on Brembos that have been raced on and the paint holds up just fine. I just dont want to pull apart a brand new caliper. Mine will be painted, not powdered.

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Did you use VHT high temp paint or some other brand?

I got my calipers delivered today. I am buying my parts in smaller batches so my better half doesn't get alarmed. My first track day of the year won't be for at least another month so I have plenty of time to collect and install. Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 03-23-2014, 02:14 PM   #47
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Time to pay it forward! I finally ordered my set-up today so it was time to share.

From my research into 6 piston set-ups for my car I found by far the lowest prices on Amazon if you are willing to use Silver or Yellow (or powder coat). The qty in stock fluctuates and sometimes the items go on back order, but if you keep checking back they are usually restocked often.

You can get a 6-piston front big brake set-up for about $1050.00 to $1300.00 depending on rotors and lines you pick.

Here you go: Part numbers and prices as of 3/18/2014

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Thank you so much for this info! I ordered mine yesterday which was a full year ahead of what I had budgeted for. Next time you are in Toronto the Beer is on me.



Thanks also to Tyler at JDP Motorsports who has been answering all of my questions about this upgrade and others for quite some time now despite the fact that I wasn't even planning on purchasing this year. Because of this great service I will be ordering the remaining items from JDP in addition to some other goodies I have already bought including their brake cooling kit.

Great stuff all around guys!
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Old 03-23-2014, 10:24 PM   #48
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Did you use VHT high temp paint or some other brand?
Sorry. To clarify I didn't paint or powder them myself. I took them apart and had them painted/powdered. Then I rebuilt them with new seals etc.




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Thank you so much for this info! I ordered mine yesterday which was a full year ahead of what I had budgeted for. Next time you are in Toronto the Beer is on me.
Sounds good!
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Old 03-24-2014, 12:47 PM   #49
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As far as wheel fitment goes, will these fit the same wheels as SS calipers? I know the rotor circumference is bigger but still fits in a 20" wheel, I just don't want to buy these only to find my wheel spokes won't clear the caliper.
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Also anyone know where to get a decent set of stainless brake lines that will fit these? If found a few made for the CTS-V but I dont think the rears are compatible with the rear SS brakes even though they use almost identical calipers, though I may be wrong.
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Also anyone know where to get a decent set of stainless brake lines that will fit these? If found a few made for the CTS-V but I dont think the rears are compatible with the rear SS brakes even though they use almost identical calipers, though I may be wrong.
you can get any ZL1 brake line set, it works
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