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Old 08-03-2009, 10:46 PM   #35
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The ammount of mustangs are ridiculous... but anyways will the cobalt ss beat the v6 camaro 0-60?
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:17 PM   #36
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I have to tell you, this 1LT V6 M6 DI VVT engine is quicker than the '91 L98 ZF6 Vette I had several years ago...

Pulls like mad once the revs build.

Just crossed 500 break-in miles and so I let her eat a bit.

This is gonna be a fun daily driver.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:23 PM   #37
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O.K. puttin this question to bed :

1967 Camaro – 230 CI S6 – 140 HP
1967 Camaro – 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1967 Camaro RS – 350 CI V8 – 295 HP
1966 Z/28 - introduced high-compression 302 CI V8 - 350 HP
1969 Camaro - 307 V8 – 225 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 255 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 250 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 295 HP
1969 Camaro – 327 V8 - 210 HP
1969 Camaro – 327 V8 - 275 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 375 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 325 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 350 HP
1969 COPO Camaro – 427 V8 – 425 HP
1969 COPO Camaro – 427 V8 – 430 HP

1970 Camaro - 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1970 Camaro – 350 V8 – 300 HP
1970 ½ Z28 Camaro – 350 LT1 – 360 HP
1971 Camaro - 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1971 Camaro – 350 LT1 – 255 HP
1973 Camaro – 350 V8 – 245 HP
1974 Camaro – 250 V6 – 105 HP
1974 Camaro – 350 V8 – 155 HP
1976 Camaro – 305 V8 – 140 HP
1976 Camaro – 350 V8 – 165 HP
1977 Camaro - 350 V8 – 170 HP
1978 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 185 HP
1980 Camaro – 229 V6 – 115 HP
1980 Camaro – 231 V6 – 110 HP
1980 Camaro - 267 V8 – 120 HP
1980 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 190 HP
1980 Camaro – 305 V8 – 155 HP
1981 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 175 HP
1982 Camaro – 2.5 Liter 4 Cyl – 90 HP
1982 Camaro – 2.8 Liter V6 – 112 HP:(
1982 Camaro – 5.0 Liter (305 CI) V8 – 145 HP
1982 Camaro Z28 Crossfire Injection – 5.0 Liter V8 – 165 HP
1983 Camaro Z28 L69 – 5.0 Liter – 190 HP
1985 IROC-Z Z28 Camaro – 5.0 V8 – 215 HP
1987 IROC–Z Z28 Camaro – 5.0 V8 – 225 HP
1987 Camaro Z28 – 5.0 V8 – 165 HP
1989 Camaro – 5.7 V8 – 240 HP
1990 Camaro – 3.1 V6 – 140 HP
1991 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 245 HP
1993 Camaro – 3.4 V6 – 160 HP
1993 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 275 HP
1995 Camaro – 3.8 V6 – 200 HP
1996 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 285 HP
1996 Camaro SS – 5.7 V8 – 305 HP
1997 Camaro Z28 SS – 5.7 V8 – 330 HP
1998 Camaro – 5.7 V8 – 305 HP
1998 Camaro SS – 5.7 V8 – 320 HP
2001 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 310 HP



Of the 15ea. Z28's offered over the past 34 years of Camaro history, only 4 have had more power than the 2010 V6.

Of all the 53 engines offered, only 11 have had more Horsepower than the 2010 V6.

Comparatively, the 2010 weighs best against the 2nd gen models; 1970 – 1981. Of the 2nd gen models, only 1 engine has offered more Horsepower than the 2010; the 1970 ½ Z28.

The 1st gen models weighed in at approx. 3040 lbs.
The 2nd gen models weighed in at approx. 3700 lbs.
The 3rd gen models weighed in at approx. 2940 lbs.
The 4th gen models weighed in at approx. 3440 lbs.
The 5th gen cars weigh in at approx. 3700 lbs.

If you’ve been a fan of the Camaro and it’s heritage, the 2010 V6 is amongst the top 25% of the most powerful Camaro’s produced in all 5 generations of this model car.

The SS, at 426 HP, is amongst the top 3%.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:08 AM   #38
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You really need torque numbers though. I'm not sure HP has much meaning compared to torque.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:09 AM   #39
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The V6 definitely needs a turbo on it
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:42 AM   #40
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O.K. puttin this question to bed :

1967 Camaro – 230 CI S6 – 140 HP
1967 Camaro – 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1967 Camaro RS – 350 CI V8 – 295 HP
1966 Z/28 - introduced high-compression 302 CI V8 - 350 HP
1969 Camaro - 307 V8 – 225 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 255 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 250 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 295 HP
1969 Camaro – 327 V8 - 210 HP
1969 Camaro – 327 V8 - 275 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 375 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 325 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 350 HP
1969 COPO Camaro – 427 V8 – 425 HP
1969 COPO Camaro – 427 V8 – 430 HP

1970 Camaro - 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1970 Camaro – 350 V8 – 300 HP
1970 ½ Z28 Camaro – 350 LT1 – 360 HP
1971 Camaro - 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1971 Camaro – 350 LT1 – 255 HP
1973 Camaro – 350 V8 – 245 HP
1974 Camaro – 250 V6 – 105 HP
1974 Camaro – 350 V8 – 155 HP
1976 Camaro – 305 V8 – 140 HP
1976 Camaro – 350 V8 – 165 HP
1977 Camaro - 350 V8 – 170 HP
1978 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 185 HP
1980 Camaro – 229 V6 – 115 HP
1980 Camaro – 231 V6 – 110 HP
1980 Camaro - 267 V8 – 120 HP
1980 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 190 HP
1980 Camaro – 305 V8 – 155 HP
1981 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 175 HP
1982 Camaro – 2.5 Liter 4 Cyl – 90 HP
1982 Camaro – 2.8 Liter V6 – 112 HP:(
1982 Camaro – 5.0 Liter (305 CI) V8 – 145 HP
1982 Camaro Z28 Crossfire Injection – 5.0 Liter V8 – 165 HP
1983 Camaro Z28 L69 – 5.0 Liter – 190 HP
1985 IROC-Z Z28 Camaro – 5.0 V8 – 215 HP
1987 IROC–Z Z28 Camaro – 5.0 V8 – 225 HP
1987 Camaro Z28 – 5.0 V8 – 165 HP
1989 Camaro – 5.7 V8 – 240 HP
1990 Camaro – 3.1 V6 – 140 HP
1991 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 245 HP
1993 Camaro – 3.4 V6 – 160 HP
1993 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 275 HP
1995 Camaro – 3.8 V6 – 200 HP
1996 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 285 HP
1996 Camaro SS – 5.7 V8 – 305 HP
1997 Camaro Z28 SS – 5.7 V8 – 330 HP
1998 Camaro – 5.7 V8 – 305 HP
1998 Camaro SS – 5.7 V8 – 320 HP
2001 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 310 HP



Of the 15ea. Z28's offered over the past 34 years of Camaro history, only 4 have had more power than the 2010 V6.

Of all the 53 engines offered, only 11 have had more Horsepower than the 2010 V6.

Comparatively, the 2010 weighs best against the 2nd gen models; 1970 – 1981. Of the 2nd gen models, only 1 engine has offered more Horsepower than the 2010; the 1970 ½ Z28.

The 1st gen models weighed in at approx. 3040 lbs.
The 2nd gen models weighed in at approx. 3700 lbs.
The 3rd gen models weighed in at approx. 2940 lbs.
The 4th gen models weighed in at approx. 3440 lbs.
The 5th gen cars weigh in at approx. 3700 lbs.

If you’ve been a fan of the Camaro and it’s heritage, the 2010 V6 is amongst the top 25% of the most powerful Camaro’s produced in all 5 generations of this model car.

The SS, at 426 HP, is amongst the top 3%.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:48 AM   #41
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But is it possible to tune the 2LT, add a cold air intake and exhaust in order to squeeze a few more ponies out of it? How much would it cost to do this? Because I'm looking for a way to get a little bit more power out of my V6 (not the SS by a long shot) and keep the gas milage. Does anybody know of the brand of parts I should get if this works? I'm quite the rookie here.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:50 AM   #42
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:54 AM   #43
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But is it possible to tune the 2LT, add a cold air intake and exhaust in order to squeeze a few more ponies out of it? How much would it cost to do this? Because I'm looking for a way to get a little bit more power out of my V6 (not the SS by a long shot) and keep the gas milage. Does anybody know of the brand of parts I should get if this works? I'm quite the rookie here.
There are plenty of threads on this. As far as CAI, it looks like Airaid makes a good one. Not sure how much info we have on it. Also, any cat-back or axle back exhaust should boost your HP slightly as well as fuel efficiency. Combined you might get around 20HP. As for a tune, it seems nobody has a proven method for tuning the DI LLT in the V6 yet. It's coming, we just haven't seen results yet.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:07 PM   #44
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O.K. puttin this question to bed :
Eh, not quite...but nice work anyway!

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Of the 15ea. Z28's offered over the past 34 years of Camaro history, only 4 have had more power than the 2010 V6.

Of all the 53 engines offered, only 11 have had more Horsepower than the 2010 V6.
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The SS, at 426 HP, is amongst the top 3%.
Actually, the 426HP SS is probably the most powerful one. The horsepower standard has changed a couple times...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#SAE_horsepower

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You really need torque numbers though. I'm not sure HP has much meaning compared to torque.
Agreed. That leads us down the road a little further, where we can then say you need dyno charts to see how much torque there is at idle when you take off from a red light, etc. Then there's the question of the gear ratios, drivetrain losses, how sticky the tires are...we can follow that discussion forever and never get anywhere.

What we really need for a numeric comparison over the internet is results. So, how about some 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4 mile times for that long list of Camaros?

Wait, that sounds like a lot of work!
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:43 PM   #45
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Sorry I don't have the time to put it all into a nice clean post, but the link below will take you to a page that has the HP, torque, 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times for basically every Camaro up through the 4th gen. You can see that as far as performance is concerned, our new V6 has PLENTY compared to the V8s of prior generations.

http://musclecarfacts.net/camaro-statistics.html
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You have to note that those numbers would be faster if they were on todays tires. They were spinning on skinny bias tires.
My brother had a 396/375 Chevelle with a 4:11 and thought that the clutch was slipping, it was the tires.
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:32 PM   #47
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If anyone has doubt's for getting the v-6, you should read this. Wards 10 best engines. Sorry if posted before.

http://wardsauto.com/reports/2009/te...0_best_081219/
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:04 PM   #48
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Thanks for all of your help. Im sorry I wasnt able to reply sooner but my internet has been messing up. Anyways alot of you have convinced me that it has enough power but im still a little iffy. I know that with a couple mods ill be able to beat the genesis coupe which i was disappointed that it beat the camaro in some things. The only thing more I want in the v6 is more lower end torque.
If you want to beat the Genesis coupe specifically, work on the suspension. The Genesis' handling in corners is its only major advantage over a V6 camaro.
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What we really need for a numeric comparison over the internet is results. So, how about some 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4 mile times for that long list of Camaros?

Wait, that sounds like a lot of work!
Rather than posting just a section, look here:

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

great site... I use it frequently! LOL
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I haven't tested the new v8 yet but i know from the few other v6 and v8 models that the v6's are ever nearly as powerful. That being said, whether or not it has enough power depends on many factors: the driver, the location, roads, transmission, and all that good stuff. Yea i think the v6 is powerful enough, but don't try to compare it to a v8; compare it to other v6's. No it won't force you back on nice stretches of interstate or kick as hard when you floor it, but for the price and the and and weight its quite powerful. Most people don't have any reason to go fast, especially not on public roads (but we do it anyway cause it fun ). So through all of my ranting that didn't really have many points, yea it's powerful enough, just don't compare it to a v8
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It's rather simple, if you have doubts that the 6 will be enough just get the 8.

I'm fine with mine.
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