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Old 04-16-2014, 11:42 AM   #57
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Hankooks are now 200. Based on the tires you tried it makes sense now why you think the PSS are amazing. The next good tire on that list imo is the NT-05 which when I tried them were OK but nothing special. Horrible in the rain, horrible when cold. This was on a 500hp BMW.

Edit. I guess So cal deleted his post.
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Old 04-16-2014, 11:44 AM   #58
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Hankooks are now 200. Based on the tires you tried it makes sense now why you think the PSS are amazing. The next good tire on that list imo is the NT-05 which when I tried them were OK but nothing special. Horrible in the rain, horrible when cold. This was on a 500hp BMW.

Edit. I guess So cal deleted his post.

Yep, no point in debating this with you guys. Good luck with whatever you get...
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Old 04-16-2014, 12:50 PM   #59
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Guess I missed the list, but I don't think I'd have put the NT-05's on it anyway (they are better than NT555's, but that's not saying much). There used to be a video showing a (BMW, IIRC) running through some esses, and getting sloppy and way too tailhappy about it. Somewhat lot more recently, Terry Fair tried some NT-05's on the 2011 Mustang he's been pretty seriously (and successfully) competing with and he didn't like them any better.
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Nitto NT-05s were prone to overheating in the little 30 second autocross runs the day before. How would these handle track sessions in Texas summer heat? The answer is... they didn't. I will go ahead and say something that a few HPDE gurus won't agree with: Nitto NT-05s suck. These tires are greatly inferior to Yokohama AD08s, Bridgestone RE-11s, Hankook RS3, and Dunlop Star Specs that I've tracked and/or autocrossed with on this same car.

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Let him run his nt05 and come back to bench race the shit out of them.
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Old 04-16-2014, 02:34 PM   #61
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Let him run his nt05 and come back to bench race the shit out of them.
I guess you didn't actually read the thread....next time maybe be a little more in the loop before you attempt humor.
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Old 04-16-2014, 02:37 PM   #62
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Guess I missed the list, but I don't think I'd have put the NT-05's on it anyway (they are better than NT555's, but that's not saying much). There used to be a video showing a (BMW, IIRC) running through some esses, and getting sloppy and way too tailhappy about it. Somewhat lot more recently, Terry Fair tried some NT-05's on the 2011 Mustang he's been pretty seriously (and successfully) competing with and he didn't like them any better.



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The list was full of sub par tires and the NT-05 was the closest thing to a real tire on there aside from the stock Goodyear's and the PSS.
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Guess I missed the list, but I don't think I'd have put the NT-05's on it anyway (they are better than NT555's, but that's not saying much). There used to be a video showing a (BMW, IIRC) running through some esses, and getting sloppy and way too tailhappy about it. Somewhat lot more recently, Terry Fair tried some NT-05's on the 2011 Mustang he's been pretty seriously (and successfully) competing with and he didn't like them any better.



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I was racing there that weekend with Terry Fair at the Optima event, ask yourself why he was running NT-05's at that event? Because Optima requires a 200TW tire, and 3 of the 4 others you listed as better than NT-05's were not 200TW at that time. Not to mention that parking lot in Texas had just been re-paved and was slippery in the 100 degree heat.

I had the misfortune of buying into BFG's hype of their newly released Comp2 tire for that event, that Richard Winchester from BFG had stated at Run to the Coast event earlier in 2012, that was better than a 200TW tire...what a crock that was. While the NT-05 was not the best tire, it was at the time when there were few to choose from.
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I would be surprised if he was back in this thread. He has driven 2 fifth gens on NUMEROUS tires.
What were the NUMEROUS tires?
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What were the NUMEROUS tires?
From memory
Pzero
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Supercars
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Might have missed some as he deleted the post for whatever reason.
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Pzero
Pzero Russo
Comp 2
Nt-05
Supercars
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Might have missed some as he deleted the post for whatever reason.
Can't blame him. I wouldn't want others to know I bought some of those picks either
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Yes, if I had the vast experience autocrossing a 5th gen that you two do, I would clearly be an expert on the best tires to use on a 5th gen too...I've autocrossed more days last weekend than either of you two have in this year based on your posts...
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:25 AM   #68
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Yes, if I had the vast experience autocrossing a 5th gen that you two do, I would clearly be an expert on the best tires to use on a 5th gen too...I've autocrossed more days last weekend than either of you two have in this year based on your posts...
Defensive yet again. I am not sure what your deal is, but the personal attacks? I live in a different state, where weather determines our seasons. My season started 2-3 weeks ago. What is funny is that I probably competed against more people in the past three events than you have all year.....something to think about before you start your next hissy fit. The next event has 200 registered already and is still 2 weeks away. But please continue on with your 5th gen experience and knowledge with tires.
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:34 AM   #69
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I was racing there that weekend with Terry Fair at the Optima event, ask yourself why he was running NT-05's at that event? Because Optima requires a 200TW tire, and 3 of the 4 others you listed as better than NT-05's were not 200TW at that time. Not to mention that parking lot in Texas had just been re-paved and was slippery in the 100 degree heat.
Sometimes you have to run what you guess to be the best equipment permitted, even if that's only the best of a bad bunch. Adequate size being a factor in Terry's choice at that time as well as for people here and on Mustang forums now. But that doesn't make it a particularly good choice for these cars.

Sometimes you find yourself painted into a corner - I once got trapped into buying a pair of BFG g-Force Sports when I cut down an SZ-50 after that tire had been discontinued and there wasn't anything better available in 15's in at least 225/60 (this for a 1979 Malibu). It's not a happy situation; all you can do is suck it up and do the best you can.

I'll admit to being interested enough in NT-05's a few years ago to warrant a little digging and running a few numbers . . . until I saw the video, where I flat-out didn't like the behavior they were exhibiting. Didn't even feel right from this side of my computer monitor. Maybe I'd have thought differently if I was into drifting rather than "grip-style" driving, but then again perhaps drifting was viewed by Nitto as the primary market for that tire and Falken as their primary competitor in that arena?


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Old 04-17-2014, 08:52 AM   #70
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Yes, if I had the vast experience autocrossing a 5th gen that you two do, I would clearly be an expert on the best tires to use on a 5th gen too...I've autocrossed more days last weekend than either of you two have in this year based on your posts...


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