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Old 04-22-2014, 02:11 PM   #15
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" although more will be made if the demand exists. "

That's the new part to me.

doing an honest assesment of this car - i still believe that they could have sold it for 65k range and made a profit.

Which means they are making about 10k over and above because of what it is.

Whether or not my numbers are right - the new GM is here to make profits on everything. If the Z/28 is selling like hot cakes - they will keep making them. They would be stupid not to
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The Ford Mustang Laguna Seca's are already on the used market under MSRP, even though it was a limited run (1500) and $50k MSRP (many dealers marked them up significantly).
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doing an honest assesment of this car - i still believe that they could have sold it for 65k range and made a profit.

Which means they are making about 10k over and above because of what it is.

Whether or not my numbers are right - the new GM is here to make profits on everything. If the Z/28 is selling like hot cakes - they will keep making them. They would be stupid not to
CAFE restricts the amount to build.
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doing an honest assesment of this car - i still believe that they could have sold it for 65k range and made a profit.

Which means they are making about 10k over and above because of what it is.

Whether or not my numbers are right - the new GM is here to make profits on everything. If the Z/28 is selling like hot cakes - they will keep making them. They would be stupid not to
Why wouldn't they? Why would the old gm limit production? That's such a stupid business model to not make something that has high demand.
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CAFE restricts the amount to build.
How so? If it is up to emission standards why does the government care?
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Aren't they also limited by CAFE though?
in 2013 Chevy sold 1.9M cars/trucks

in 2009 (i couldnt find a 2013 camaro numbers) sold 62,000 Camaros


So 3% of cars are Camaros
It becomes .03% for just the 500 Z/28s

And if 3000 for 2015 it will be .16% of total production.

I am forgetting how CAFE is calculated now but i think the LS7 in the Camaro will be fine......for now

Plus i didnt think the hammer fell until 2016 on new CAFE regulations
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F@&k cafe standards
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How so? If it is up to emission standards why does the government care?
Because there are penalties if GM doesn't meet the Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules. Essentially this won't be much of an issue with the Z/28, since the number of units build will be tiny. GM builds a lot of Cruzes, etc., that offset the lower mileage, but the real issue are things like trucks and SUVs -- the huge number of units sold there make a big impact and are much harder to balance out...
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Old 04-22-2014, 02:26 PM   #23
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CAFE restricts the amount to build.
to a point but even at 3000 total units i don't think it moves the CAFE needle much


going to reread the CAFE standards before i make an ass of myself (if i already did)
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... [with a few exceptions, like the Ford GT]...
The Ford GT is an interesting case. They made a lot of them as far as limited production goes, over 4,000. And while the MSRP was $150k, very few sold for under $200k, some of them sold for over $250k.

Today, you can pick them up for $150-$250k based on latest Ebay SOLD prices. Hence, some people could have lost money on them.

So even they aren't necessarily collectible.

I would not be surprised if they go back under MSRP in the future due to the high production numbers. Very few modern cars ever become collectible.
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in 2013 Chevy sold 1.9M cars/trucks

in 2009 (i couldnt find a 2013 camaro numbers) sold 62,000 Camaros


So 3% of cars are Camaros
It becomes .03% for just the 500 Z/28s

And if 3000 for 2015 it will be .16% of total production.

I am forgetting how CAFE is calculated now but i think the LS7 in the Camaro will be fine......for now

Plus i didnt think the hammer fell until 2016 on new CAFE regulations
I was just going by memory...IIRC Fbodfather himself stated part of the reason for a low build number or high cost or something was CAFE
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The Ford GT is an interesting case. They made a lot of them as far as limited production goes, over 4,000. And while the MSRP was $150k, very few sold for under $200k, some of them sold for over $250k.

Today, you can pick them up for $150-$250k based on latest Ebay SOLD prices. Hence, some people could have lost money on them.

So even they aren't necessarily collectible.

I would not be surprised if they go back under MSRP in the future due to the high production numbers. Very few modern cars ever become collectible.
I think more people bought Ford GTs and locked them away than almost any other car I've seen. I realize the Z/28 isn't comparable at half the MSRP (far less than half if inflation-adjusted), and I believe that a much higher percentage of Z/28s will be driven.

Though a lot have folks have speculated that most Z/28s will become garage queens, I disagree. I believe that it will be something closer to 75/25 -- 75% of owners will drive, use, and enjoy their Z/28s, while a quarter of owners will lock them away. How could you own one and resist the temptation to drive it?!?
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I would agree with the 75% 25%
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:46 PM   #28
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I was just going by memory...IIRC Fbodfather himself stated part of the reason for a low build number or high cost or something was CAFE

Sounds familiar

If trucks and SUVs are counted then I can see why GM would want to keep a limit on LS7s. Trucks/SUVs are their bread and butter.

Now if only they can sell more Volts
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