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Old 03-27-2014, 11:29 AM   #18
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IK have the LSR rear with adjustable endlinks too. no noise and full adjustability

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Old 04-06-2014, 10:09 PM   #19
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Not trying to thread jack. I'm interested in getting the Detroit speed sway bars. I have a 2012 ss with the ZL1 staggered wheels and tires on pfadt drop springs. What would u guys recommend for the best sway bar combo.
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:23 PM   #20
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Not trying to thread jack. I'm interested in getting the Detroit speed sway bars. I have a 2012 ss with the ZL1 staggered wheels and tires on pfadt drop springs. What would u guys recommend for the best sway bar combo.
To compensate for the built in understeer with the staggered ZL1 wheels and tires you should look for a 4 to 5mm difference in bar diameter.

Rear Bar Diameter less Front Bar Diameter = 4 of 5mm
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:25 AM   #21
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To compensate for the built in understeer with the staggered ZL1 wheels and tires you should look for a 4 to 5mm difference in bar diameter.

Rear Bar Diameter less Front Bar Diameter = 4 of 5mm
Is there a best bang for the buck kit? ZL spec would have been my first choice from what I read but what would be next in line?
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:48 PM   #22
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Here's some additional information for our BMR Sway Bars.....

SB016 -- Front Sway Bar (without electric steering), 1.125 OD, 0.188 Wall Thickness, 3-Way Adjustable.

SB038 -- Front Sway Bar (with electric steering), 1.125 OD, 0.188 Wall Thickness, 3-Way Adjustable.

SB017 -- FE3 Style Rear Sway Bar, 1.00 OD, 0.25 Wall Thickness, 3-Way Adjustable.

SB033 -- FE4 Style Rear Sway Bar, 1.25 OD, 0.25 Wall Thickness, 3-Way Adjustable.

XSB004 -- Extreme Anti-Roll Bar (FE3 Style), 1.375 OD, 0.25 Wall Thickness, 3-Way Adjustable.
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Old 05-08-2014, 10:19 AM   #23
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Can anyone confirm if Pedders front sway bar (428020-27A) is compatible with a 2013 ZL1?
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Old 05-08-2014, 10:56 AM   #24
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Can anyone confirm if Pedders front sway bar (428020-27A) is compatible with a 2013 ZL1?
Yes and no. You can use it with the OEM ZL1 bar, but I don't recommend it.

All main stream automobile manufacturers build understeer into their vehicles for safety and liability. The vast majority of drivers will apply their brakes when a vehicle starts to slide. This is especially true since the introduction of ABS brakes. Stand on the ABS and things will get better with a vehicle that understeers. On a vehicle that oversteers, lifting off the accelerator will make things worse.

Knowing this, a performance driver will opt for a larger than stock rear bar and a smaller than stock front bar ratio setup. This brings the OE understeer to a more neutral or oversteer bias. A 1LE delivers with the same size front and rear tires to deliver a more neutral 5th Gen. The square tire setup makes the 1LE so neutral the OE engineers made the front sway bar larger than the ZL1 to bring back a slight understeer bias. 1LE owners will benefit from the installation of an OE ZL1 front bar. ZL1 owners will benefit from installing a 32mm rear bar with the OEM front bar.

An adjustable front 27mm bar set to soft will function close to a 26mm bar. Pair that with a 32mm rear Z style bar and you have 6mm of 'ovcersteer' bias. A 28mm rear ZL1 / 1LE bar mated to a 23mm front bar is a difference of 5mm. You get the idea.

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Old 05-08-2014, 11:10 AM   #25
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Yes and no. You can use it with the OEM ZL1 bar, but I don't recommend it.

All main stream automobile manufacturers build understeer into their vehicles for safety and liability. The vast majority of drivers will apply their brakes when a vehicle starts to slide. This is especially true since the introduction of ABS brakes. Stand on the ABS and things will get better with a vehicle that understeers. On a vehicle that oversteers, lifting off the accelerator will make things worse.

Knowing this, a performance driver will opt for a larger than stock rear bar and a smaller than stock front bar ratio setup. This brings the OE understeer to a more neutral or oversteer bias. A 1LE delivers with the same size front and rear tires to deliver a more neutral 5th Gen. The square tire setup makes the 1LE so neutral the OE engineers made the front sway bar larger than the ZL1 to bring back a slight understeer bias. 1LE owners will benefit from the installation of an OE ZL1 front bar. ZL1 owners will benefit from installing a 32mm rear bar with the OEM front bar.

An adjustable front 27mm bar set to soft will function close to a 26mm bar. Pair that with a 32mm rear Z style bar and you have 6mm of 'ovcersteer' bias. A 28mm rear ZL1 / 1LE bar mated to a 23mm front bar is a difference of 5mm. You get the idea.

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I realize you're an extremely busy man and I really do appreciate the response. I realize going to an aftermarket front sway is ill-advised if I were to stay with an OEM rear. I'm planning on switching out both Sways, however it looks like I can get a Pedder's front, unfortunately I cannot find the Z Spec rear so I would likely have to go with a different brand. Which was what brought me here, do I mix and match (Pedder's front with a different company rear) or for consistency sake, stick with one brand. Not that it really matters that much, but if I go with a solid front and hollow tubing rear I am going to have to take into consideration the OD of the rear sway.
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Baylor, go with LSR or Detroit Speed
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Old 05-08-2014, 11:55 AM   #27
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Baylor, go with LSR or Detroit Speed
Yeah I'm thinking Detroit Speed. That's what Jordan @ JDP is running and I was impressed with his car / times, to say the least

The one thing I do not like about the Detroit Speed front sway is that it appears (per their site) you cannot adjust it. So I MAY do LSR (or Pedders) front and Detroit Speed rear..
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Rear LSR Bar
CNC bent from tubular 1-3/8 inch DOM steel and then TIG welded with billet steel ends. Each end provides three adjustment positions for fine tuning of handling balance.

Compared to the factory ZL1 bar, the first position is the same as stock, position 2 is 10% stiffer, and position 3 is 26% stiffer.

If you are upgrading to this bar on an SS model, the first position is 76% stiffer than stock, position 2 is 100% stiffer, and position 3 will be 130% stiffer.
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:32 PM   #29
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Rear LSR Bar
CNC bent from tubular 1-3/8 inch DOM steel and then TIG welded with billet steel ends. Each end provides three adjustment positions for fine tuning of handling balance.

Compared to the factory ZL1 bar, the first position is the same as stock, position 2 is 10% stiffer, and position 3 is 26% stiffer.

If you are upgrading to this bar on an SS model, the first position is 76% stiffer than stock, position 2 is 100% stiffer, and position 3 will be 130% stiffer.
Same as stock i the front is great with a big fat rear
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:34 PM   #30
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Same as stock i the front is great with a big fat rear
Is that what you'd suggest on the ZL1? Stock front but big rear? I just need to correct the push I'm getting mid way through the turns.
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Is that what you'd suggest on the ZL1? Stock front but big rear? I just need to correct the push I'm getting mid way through the turns.
Road course or AC?
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Road course or AC?
The push I was talking about was in Autocross this past weekend. However I will be doing both consistently. Road course event the end of this month.
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Road course or AC?
Does that make much of a difference? I mostly do RC but have been wanting to try my hand at AC.

I have a rear z bar to put in actually pretty much have a Permagrin kit. Just waiting for my Ridetechs then I will do it all at once.

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The push I was talking about was in Autocross this past weekend. However I will be doing both consistently. Road course event the end of this month.
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Does that make much of a difference? I mostly do RC but have been wanting to try my hand at AC.

I have a rear z bar to put in actually pretty much have a Permagrin kit. Just waiting for my Ridetechs then I will do it all at once.

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The tighter the corner, the better you are with a big rear bar and a soft front bar. On a road course that car can get a bit loose setup that way. Drivers with countless hours of seat time find that to be very fast. Very few of us have enough seat time and skill to love that kind of setup on a road course.

It isn't unusual to see a front sway bar disconnected at an AC event. This allows a lot of front end roll, but also a lot of front end stick. Using OE bars, I think many would find an OE 23mm front bar with an OE Z/1LE 28mm rear bar to be a very good setup for both AC and RC. Am I a fan of a 27mm front adjustable bar with a 32mm rear bar, of course I am. I am the guy that settled on that setup after countless hours of testing and brought it to market. The front to rear difference is 5mm and '6'mm with the front bar to full soft. OE 23 / 28 is a 5mm difference
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