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Old 06-21-2014, 12:48 PM   #1
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Difference in these two Superchargers?

Maybe you guys could help me to understand this?

Magnuson Heartbeat 120+ HP $8995.00

ECS1500 200+ HP $5995.00


I know these are two different types (one root? and one centrifugal) of superchargers but is there any kind of reasons why I would pay $3000.00 more for 80 HP less? I would love to hear the pros and cons of these two supercharges.

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Old 06-21-2014, 01:48 PM   #2
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Yeah same here! I'm in the market for one ASAP! Good question!
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:57 PM   #3
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Some people like show cars and want a blower that looks cool and shows well under the hood.
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The new Maggie is really high at retail. I got my TVS2300 used, that made the decision for me. I prefer driving a roots style around town, as compared to a centrifugal. I'm over 500lb/ft before 2500rpm. If I had to buy new, I would have went AGP turbo or ECS centrifugal for the money.
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Old 06-21-2014, 02:53 PM   #5
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One is a PD top mount blower and the other is a centri. I say centri (ECS1500 ) for a drag or track car and a PD (heratbeat)for a DD.
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Old 06-21-2014, 03:33 PM   #6
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One is a PD top mount blower and the other is a centri. I say centri (ECS1500 ) for a drag or track car and a PD (heratbeat)for a DD.

But why is the ECS1500 better for Drag and Heartbeat better for DD?
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Old 06-21-2014, 03:55 PM   #7
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A drag car optimally will never be under 3500-4000rpm ever even at launch. Around town a roots will have more torque at lower rpm. Our cars already make good torque so does it really matter that much? I'd say go centri for the higher power limits. I am eyeing the ecs 1500 kit as well. Seems like the best overall price/performance s/c kit available at this time.

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It is all opinion. The ECS kit will still spin tires easy. PD blowers just spin them easier at low throttle.
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Dang I'm in Cali and can not run the ECS. I bought an Edelbrock new with a great deal on it. I wish I could have got the new Maggie or Whipple but those are $1,500+

Now the Heart Beat is only for corvettes right now right, not out for camaro yet
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Mounts to side of engine like alternator, less prone to engine heat, makes great power/torque and sounds awesome with loud BOV. Best bang for buck! Capable of serious power numbers.

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Looks like stock engine. Good power and torque down low.

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Maybe you guys could help me to understand this?

Magnuson Heartbeat 120+ HP $8995.00

ECS1500 200+ HP $5995.00


I know these are two different types (one root? and one centrifugal) of superchargers but is there any kind of reasons why I would pay $3000.00 more for 80 HP less? I would love to hear the pros and cons of these two supercharges.

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A drag car optimally will never be under 3500-4000rpm ever even at launch. Around town a roots will have more torque at lower rpm. Our cars already make good torque so does it really matter that much? I'd say go centri for the higher power limits. I am eyeing the ecs 1500 kit as well. Seems like the best overall price/performance s/c kit available at this time.

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Dang I'm in Cali and can not run the ECS. I bought an Edelbrock new with a great deal on it. I wish I could have got the new Maggie or Whipple but those are $1,500+

Now the Heart Beat is only for corvettes right now right, not out for camaro yet

Both blowers are good not only for drag but as a DD. I started with the base ECS kit two years ago, and now I'm using their YSi an shooting for a 1000hp+. Essentially that's the difference between the two blowers. The ECS kit has much more room for expansion than the Maggie. The Maggie puts power to the wheels much faster than the ECS, but the ECS will continue to build boost throughout the entire power band.

As for being CA, C.A.R.B legal, check to see if the Vortech V3 is compliant. ECS uses a Paxton 1500 which is the same as a Vortech T-Trim, but the unit is a self-contained oil unit. If you can buy the Vortech system in CA, then the ECS unit is good, plus it'll put out more power.
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Old 06-22-2014, 01:36 PM   #12
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Which one would be best for longevity both for the supercharger and the engine?

Also there has to be some cons for both systems?
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Which has a greater effect on intake temperatures, a PD sitting on top of the engine, or the centri that draws its intake air from over the exhaust manifold?
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Old 06-22-2014, 03:50 PM   #14
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Which has a greater effect on intake temperatures, a PD sitting on top of the engine, or the centri that draws its intake air from over the exhaust manifold?
How many heatsoak threads are there on the PD blowers vs centri's?

With the massive FMIC that's available on many centri's, heatsoak isn't much of a issue. Certainly not as bad as the PD's.
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:56 PM   #15
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I almost went with the heartbeat but it wasnt out when was ready to get the blower and install it, I dont take mine to the track, and just DD it, so whipple was the next best option, made 567/553 on a mustang dyno with low boost.
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Old 06-22-2014, 10:39 PM   #16
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Which one would be best for longevity both for the supercharger and the engine?

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Which has a greater effect on intake temperatures, a PD sitting on top of the engine, or the centri that draws its intake air from over the exhaust manifold?
Longevity of the superchargers in combination with the engines is very spectacle. Both can last long, or be disastrous. Although the ECS kit offers no engine warranty, with a moderate amount of boost with a good tune, can yield you ~600 rwhp and last a long time. SLP, offers the Maggie and a warranty if it is not altered in any way and installed by a certified GM tech.

As far as heat soak and IAT's. PD blowers will always be more than the centri's. Just because the intake is above the exhaust manifold, it has no effect on the IAT. Heat soak is minimal and IAT's more significantly less with the ECS kit.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:41 PM   #18
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Lon term use of the car will be my DD (I only drive about 50-60 miles a day), when the weathers not go for the Harley. But, also plan to dabble in auto cross if anything.

No the Vortechs are not legal in Cali yet so I'm stuck there... Yeah the Heartbeat looks like a really good kit but that and the Whipple are both over the $7k amount I believe.

For my first FI car the E Force seems the way to go. Carb compliant, fairly priced so I can save a little still for the fuel pump, spark plugs, and custom tune since I have headers and intake.

Love that heart beat and whipple though, damn!
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Dang I'm in Cali and can not run the ECS. I bought an Edelbrock new with a great deal on it. I wish I could have got the new Maggie or Whipple but those are $1,500+

Now the Heart Beat is only for corvettes right now right, not out for camaro yet
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Yeah good for you man! Too bad I live in Ca and can't have half of that stuff due to Carb lol. Damn it. I can only go carb approved shorties, very limited intakes, very limited cam (actually I do not think there is one that will run with the E Force that is Carb Legal), and I can't touch my cats...

So knowing that what would you suggest I match it up with?
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:25 AM   #21
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All PD Blower cars are slow and do not make any power above 4500...just keep reading this forum.

If those are the two kits you're considering (posted above), I would go with the ECS. $3K of price difference will buy ALOT of other goodies to further improve the performance gains.

I found my Whipple lightly used for half of its original cost...made my choice easy.
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That quick hitting eforce will get away from you quickly on autocross, but if you can drive it will be fun as hell.
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If I have a M6 Camaro I would have a ECS kit on it. Both styles are great and I Install/drive all of them. The Centri just has better throttle control.
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Damn I would love love love to have the ECS kit or a ProCharger but CARB is killing me lol
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Dude dont fret it, they are all awesome they really are. I am sure the eforce will keep a big smile on your face.
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